Is this Firebird an FL?

I see the pro firebirds listed on Innovas website. I actually have one of those newer ones. this discs is obviously in champion plastic and really looks like the mold that my champion firebirds are from. any thoughts?

[King Mullet]

I would have to see the rim on the underside

[Nibs Carter]

whats the difference? I don't have a camera that would get detailed enough to show a difference.

[King Mullet]

if there is a little bead on the end of the rim then it is not an FL.

[Nibs Carter]

thanks Brian, I'll give it a look later. Where can I find info on older Innova discs like this. The innova web site is devoid of info on "Legacy" discs.

[Rodney Gilmore]

I have one like that but yellow and it's an FX. Those were the ones made right after CE if I remember correctly. To the best of my knowledge Champion FL's were only CFR (would have more than likely had a tourney stamp instead of a stock stamp) if they were even available when that disc came out.

[Nibs Carter]

so is the fx more or less stable than a normal firebird? I haven't had a chance to throw it yet.

[Rodney Gilmore]

The FX is the "normal" firebird. The DX first runs were FX mold marked F. When they released the Firebird in CE they released the FL as the first runs (I seem to remember that they were afraid of the added stability in CE plastic so they "tamed it down" with the FL mold, if someone knows better than I please correct me). There were also CE Firebirds marked F and FX both being the FX mold.

[Nibs Carter]

Cool I was hoping it was the more stable "regular firebird" The newer pro firebird fl is not stable enough at all. reminds me more of a wraith or viking maybe in flight

[Rodney Gilmore]

Yeah, the newer Pro Firebird FL's are some of the least stable Firebird/FL derivations that have been released. In CE or CFR the FL isn't a bad disc. The Pro Firebird FL is nothing like its Champion cousins. Most discs in Pro (the opaque Pro, not the candy) are less stable than their CE/Champion/Star counterparts.

[Nibs Carter]

Thanks for all your help Rodney! I throw almost all champ plastic and I agree with the "champ is more stable" I have a nice star firebird and I like it alot but it definately doesn't turn near as hard and the champ one. Still alot more stable than my pro FL though! my lime green champ bird is a super stable pig! and I've hit every tree at the park with it too!

[Rodney Gilmore]

No problem man. I still haven't thrown a Star since I haven't managed to wear out my used CE's yet.

[Rich Koski]

Those Pro FireBirds the FX mold. The new Prolines are FL molds. I'm pretty darned sure.