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i just finished #14 and i have a machlite put out on 8 and move it to 11 when we take our break on 9 so that 16 targets at mackenzie park . last sunday there where 10 DGers (including nascar dave)just hearing them gave me a real good feeling inside and i had to confess to my group that thats why i made them for . The castaways now have 18 baskets but there in storage till tournament days . so if you feel like discgolfing in hawaii and want something to aim for other then trees , be sure to give me a haler and i'll try and set up the course for a great round . aloha !