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I purchased an epic when I first started playing, because I was told it was great for overhand. Well Lets say I have come a long way since then. I tried, and tried to throw that thing. The only way I found to get some real distance was off of an elevated tee pad. Throwing overhand releasing kinda on an angle outward. When it flipped over it really carried along way. But it didn't seem to be a disc that I could throw for multiple different shots. And unfortunatly every tee I throw from isn't super elevated, so I didn't make the cut for me.