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When I throw the ArchAngel, I just throw it backhand hard and flat and about 15' left of the target line. The disc will nose up a little and dive to the right, catch edge and bounce, when it lands from the bounce it smooths out and rolls.
The Vulcan needs to be thrown a little higher and a little more left of target. Since the disc is travelling much faster, you really have to pick your line much more careful.
How does the X-Clone need to be thrown to achieve its roll, and what distances does it achieve usually?
if you can find an x-clone it has been discoed from production.
I have used the Eclipse for years.I throw mostly forehand rollers.The leading edge seems to bite into the ground giving cut rollers alot of grip.I can also shape them to die left or right at the end.
Unfortuately my favorite early vintage 180gm models are hard to find.The newer one seem to always be softer plastic and are less predictable. I think the torque I apply on release warps the plastic and it's hard to predict how it will hit the ground.
There's alot to be said for having a stiff one ;-)
I played a couple rounds at El Dorado in in Long Beach Ca. today. The pins where set close on a lot of holes today, just begging for a nice forehand roller. I took Mark E's advice and worked my overstable discs into my forehand rollers. Since I try and get my forehand to ground as soon as possible I didn't see a tremendous amount of difference in flight. The initial bouce after hitting the ground is completely different though. I was using a 175g Champ Firebird, and when it hit it would bounce and drift to the right in the air, land, bite, and went straight and cirled the wagons and tipped over on its lid at about 275'. Compared to an 173g ArchAngel, the AA would not drift right on the initial bounce, land, bite and run straight and strat ciraling the wagons at about 230'.
I messed around a bit with a longer launch, a shorter launch, more speed, less speed, but the Firebird worked best for me with a 30-50' launch at about 75% power. Into the wind it helld the line a little long than with the wind at my back. Wind from the side had similar effect on the disc, but I could more easily correct it with release angle.
Thanks Mark, overstable on forehand shots gives me a bunch more control over how I shape the shot.
Didn't throw any bankhand rollers today during the rounds, but I have been playing around with the Stingray. (Liking it) More to come I guess.