I used to throw a champ gator religiously for up shots. but it had a tendancy to skip real bad. the FLX drone flies very similarly to the champ gator so it was not a big switch to throw. but it hardly ever skips. I still keep the gator just incase I need the skip or need a short tomahawk, but I also have two 177 flx drones in my bag at all times. aced with my first one twice in the first month I had it!