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so i bought a disc today and its a buzzz and it has wasp printed on the inside of the rim like a first run but it does not have a bar stamp. the stamp is the old discraft stamp where its on the outside edge of the disc. can somebody explain what it is?

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all I know is they are all magic. especially the crystal Z.

Tis a Wasp tooled buzzz...  Damn close to a first run, Most that I have that are like what you are talking about have tournement stamps on them.  I would rank them up with first runs in terms of flight and flat..  Photos? and would you trade?


i'll try to get a pic up soon but it has writing on the back and side that says "smoke", which really sucks but it also says 178. i would definitely consider a trade if your still interested.

For Sure, What are you looking for? and how would you rate the disc? 8/10 with ink? 

well, the disc its self is in great shape no chunks or dings but it is a tie dye and someone traced the outside of the dye with the ink and wrote on it. so the ink is excessive but the disc is great. i would say its about an 8, i'll try and get a pic up soon for ya. i'm looking for heavy first run stalkers all the time.
Your buzzz is a second first run. It is actually a lot more rare than the bar stamped buzzz's, but flies just the same.
why is it that it doesnt have the second first run stamp on it?

I got a couple Glo-Stalkers but no first runs... 


its the same mold that they decided to use for a regular production disc. but trust me it is a second first run. i think this, behind the first run, is the best buzz. the stamp is just awesome too, because of the fact that almost no one has a buzzz like it

   The 2nd first run stamp is from the Player's cup, people will also refer to the buzz molds that you have as second first runs.http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=22865 Those we made in '06. the runs that you have was more then likely made in '04-'05.

     So in short there are two types of second first runs..  Yours which is olders the then players cup edition. not to be confused with the third first runs which is a totally different batch of domey wasp rimmed maddness.

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