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Tough call...both equally as dangerous.
Destroyer for sure
Star Wraith and Champion Destroyer !

Destroyer vs. Wraith two low budget movies from the mid 80's. Fred Ward as Remo Williams the Destroyer vs Charlie Shene as the Wraith.  Both movies stunk but the Destroyer series of books is up to 145 different titles.  Some great low brow hummor in those books, and they got me through many a long watch when I was in the Navy. 

As far as the Innova discs they are both too stable for my noodle arm.

Haha! Seriously though, Thanks for your service to our country. I was in the A.F. 30 years ago. Isn't it funny how when we were younger we had all kinds of time to kill and now I have to schedule fun time because of all the responsibilities we have? I throw both discs - a dx Wraith for long distance straight shots and a champion Destroyer for long hyzer shots.

Oh man Remo all the way, he'll always win!


I love you Remo!

A destroyer is an absolutely must own disc in my opinion the wraith is not bad either.

how far do you throw?  fh or bh?  


champ plastic in each mold will be really overstable especially the destro.  pro plastic will beat up and flip to flat nicely.  pro wraiths can turn into rollers.  star wraiths beat to super straight.  star destroyers vary.  the starlite is super overstable even in the 160s.  flat top first run destros can be pretty flippy.  


again, all this depends on how far you throw, if you have good form, and a number of other factors.  i think in general this is an accurate description though.  i've thrown both discs quite a bit in almost all plastics except new champ wraiths and dx plastic.  


who wants to add to this?

300 or so form is really coming together lately also i throw forehand primarily

my back hand form is unreliable but ive had some grat shots with it

Both have the same glide, turn and fade. So it just depends on if you can throw a speed 12 disc or a speed 11? Just remember, speed is your ability to throw at that level. I carry a 155g Star Destroyer, but I use it when I have a headwind. Since I can't throw a disc of that speed and stability. It's more overstable than it should be. So it works for me with a headwind, but for a normal day. It's my 166g Wraith all the way. Also, I find the Wraith to be better suited for nice tight fairways that have little roon behind the basket for those wide rimmed uber skips.
i believe the destroyer's fade is a 4 and the wraith is a 3.  splitting hairs.


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