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I absolutely love them even though I don't have a huge arm because I love to just see how good of a throw I can get but I also enjoy watching the big arms blast them out there? I recently had the opportunity to set up a long position that only gets used once in a while on the #4 hole and I love it. The hole went from a short blind shot to a huge bomber where you can see the basket. Also on the left is a lower level and then a hill that comes back up so it is a challenge to just stay on top. I guess someone actually hit the front of the basket on Sunday. Wish I had seen it. Not sure about the distance but it has to be 450 or a bit more (maybe 475).