Flash!

This is directed at your Mr. Ellis as you are in my mind "the site pro."

What are the flight characteristics and stability differences in this disc in both ESP and Z plastic, also what is your recommendation and what Innova driver would you compare it to?

[Eirik]

The flat top "Z" flashes are more stable, but not definite. Bright pink flash's that are flat are pretty darn stable AND hard to find. The "mark ellis flashes" are understable crushes that fly straight as hell, I would know. Are you a backhand or forehand player?

[Ric Roc]

That's the reason why I was asking him is because on his discraft profile he says "A shot which leaves the hand dead-nuts straight and flies that way until it finishes straight with no fade or hyzer." These are the flashes I would be looking for. I throw both backhand and forehand with backhand distance max about 360-370 and forehand 325, but I only really use forehand for hyzer shots that need a hard right fade.

[AK Discer]

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[jim]

I throw 5 different Flashes. My Z's are more stable than the ESP's. My Flashes are a bit different than Eirik's. My Flat top Z Flash is less stable then the newer domey ones. I compare the flight to an Innova Beast but with more slow speed fade than the Beast.

[Chad Curtis]

I friend recently suggested the FLash. He said it was similar in flight to the DGA Rogue. Is there any truth to that, in your opinion?

[Eirik]

The one's that are manufactured the way they want to be are like a rogue, but not quite. A rogue is just a surge in dga plastic.

They are normally flip discs. The real overstable ones are awesome. The newer run orange z flash's are the ones mark is talking about.

[Sean Johnson]

I'd agree that the Rogue is more like the Surge. The Flash is a little less overstable than both. I just lost my ESP Flash and replaced it with an orange Z Flash and Damn! It's got this wide sweet spot where it doesn't take a lot of power to make it go straight, but it can be thrown fairly hard or in moderate wind without flipping. However, throw it hard and with anhyzer and it will never come back. Great forehand disc for people with only so-so flick power like me.

[mark ellis]

Well I may not be the "site pro" but I have thrown more shots with a Flash than most players, who knows, maybe more than anyone else. I have been known to shank quite a bit and those shots count, too. :)

For the last few years the Z Flash has been my primary driver. I carry 6 different Z Flashes in the bag, not including back-ups, and each of them is from a different run and does something slightly or substantially different.

Z Flashes are among the most brilliant but unpredictable of discs. The flight charts won't help much. Looking at them or picking particular weights or colors won't help either. You will only know for sure what you have by throwing it. Or getting one from me since I know.

Flashes were designed to be long gliding, understable drivers (understable in the hands of a strong throwing pro, not understable like an Optimizer or something). The one characteristic they all share is great glide. But Flashes are such a touchy mold that some of the runs come out stable and some of them come out overstable. The overstable flat top ones are my favorite driver in the world. Keep in mind that I drive forehand, so I need a strong disc to handle forehand flutter.

The ESP Flash is a more consistent product and is medium stability, like a Stalker or a TeeBird. The ESP's come out much more domey but still glide forever.