Frustrated in big slow groups?

Am I the only guy who hates playing in groups of 5 and six with slow ass people?  Also, I'm sick and tired of playing with people who smoke pot while they play.  If this happends again I'm quitting the group and playing somewhere else even its a tag match.  Today I was waiting for some friends to join me after doubles and a few people wanted to start a tag match.  Well when i said I was waiting for someone else, they started to make comments because I had a #14 of 75 tag.  Well i can care less, the tag is a souvenir for me more than anything but I didn't want the Club to start to cast me out so I played.  Well this was going so slow with 6 people and I hate that.  Then in the middle of the match an old lady pulls out pot and starts smoking which pisses me off to no end.  I didn't want to disrespect the old lady so i didn't say anything.  Well in the end I ended up with a 53 tag which i don't care.  To put it in perspective, I shot a -7 on the same course yesterday and today it was a Par.  Am I alone in this matter?

[ROBEY the one.]

no hard feelings taken.

Here's the failure in your argument, football and such sports dont have people smoking on the field because they are in a stadium often surrounded by police, and it is illegal. So they have a 0% chance of getting away with it, but in sports where played and practiced in the woods or nature it is more common then we would think, an example would be snowboarding and skiing, lots of professionals in those sports do it. Its all about opurtunity when and where most potheads smoke.

I am 100% with you that while in the pubic eye (PDGA tourneys, NT tourneys and anything televised) people shouldn't be doing it, and as far as I know they don't. But to expect them to not do it during a casual round or a league event, I mean really? they would be doing it if they weren't on the course, say playing video games or fishing.

So we are supposed to expect them to clean up thier act while they wander around the woods throwing a piece of plastic?

My main problem with this attack on potheads is that they are not hurting you, if they offer it to you just politely decline, if they are doing it in the open for neighbors watching let them know its not cool and to keep it on the down low, if the cops show up its not your problem because your not on it or dont possess it.

As far as his rant, I did conclude that he was blaming vandalism and litter on the "potheads", I was simply stating if that was his belief he was way off, tokers (definitely most hippies) are against littering and vandalism on and off the course.

And the original post about being aggravated when some lady pulls out some weed and smokes it, I just want anyone who thinks this to realize that the have the same right to be there as you. And there may be things you do on the course that they dont like, keep that in mind next time your out at the course.

In regards about what to do about it, sometimes I think turning a blind eye is your best option, at least when it is a "victimless crime", I am not thier parents its not my job to "curb thier future behaviors", I will do my best to make sure my future kids dont turn out this way but that is all I feel responsible for.

I am glad this comes up once in a while because I do like to here opinions on these issues and others and there potential solutions, but I dont think villainizing potheads gets us anywhere on the real issues.

IMHO.

[4U2NV]

Just FYI DK, The Players Cup is one of the unfortunate tournaments that due to this type of behavior by both the player and fans got banned from the course they played on. Hence no Players cup since 2008 I believe. So it is not just casuals. Heck I have been in an A-tier in Rockford illinois in 2009 and the guys on my card final round did it even after I objected. So it is not as easy as just saying hey I don't like that, I don't do it, or don't do it around me. People in the sport just readily accept it. Until we STOP accepting it will the sport gain on a larger media level.

For instance Snowboarding, You will never catch a professional like The flying tomato toking it up. He might swear up a storm but you will not see the pot in his mouth if he does it, it is in the privacy of his own home away from the media spotlight. Yea, we don't have cameras on the courses all the time, but despite what we think there is always someone watching somewhere. The old lady walking her dog, The random person on their bike, the cop pulling into the lot, the cub scout leader, the park ranger, or anyone that doesn't think it is appropriate. Hence all disc golfers get this label and just another reason we flounder in the ways of the mighty media.

[Greg H.]

man i feel ya actually, and honestly i've seen both sides of the spectrum the "i wish you would go home with that junk" and the "hey this cat isn't so bad" smokers but in general i kinda just wish it would get cleaned up ya know? maybe it's what i normally see (people ducking out like juvenile kids so they don't get caught by daddy) that just ruins it for me and i know how you feel about trashing the course, i used to play in nashville at seven oaks and every bench was marked up and junk...looked awful, but concerning your group issue; if they were to cast you out due to the fact you didn't want to play a spontaneous tag match...dude gtfo, a club ought to respect the fact that you want to take the sport and use it and the people to challenge yourself to do better so that eventually you can play in the pros not debate if you should or shouldn't be in the club because you didn't want to play with them

also, i loathe playing with/behind slow people, the one that takes the cake for me is when it's obvious that i'm playing faster than them, waiting at the tee for them to finish up every single hole from the one i caught up to them...oh well...gotta take the dumb with the smarts sometimes ya know?

[J.D.Guy]

dude, i have the same problem, same feelings you do, exactly. I mean, the problem i ran into is when an undercover cop walked up and busted people in my group and threw the same label on me, not fricking cool. its hard explaining to the cop that, " No officer, I don't know them, yes we belong to the same club, but they're not my friends,..." really sir?! you expect me to buy that? , says the cop. and just because the sport was created in the time of tree hugging, pot-smoking hippies, doesn't give it a reason to be done today. The world isn't flat any longer ..... Cocaine is no longer in Coca-Cola..... things change. This sport is truly stifled by this, many courses have shut down or have threatened to shut down because of this behavior, just ridiculous IMO.

[Shawn Boucké]

When I have a big group ahead of me, or with me, I take it as a sign to calm down, and relax. If I do not have the time to stop and enjoy my time outside, then I am missing the point of disc golf.

[Jeff Bridwell]

Slow play dosent bother me that much but the pot heads sparking up in front of my 15 year old kid really chaps my ass. It really sucks getting to a tourney and seeing guys lighting up, drinking beers and whatever else at 7:30 in the morning. I can see why our sport has the reputation that it does.

[Ian Macpherson]

I agree. If you're smoking or drinking in front of a minor, especially if it isn't your own child, you're way off base.

[MonTTy #794]

Bag tags are always up for challenge, so don't let that part of your rant upset you too much.
Pot smoking is illegal so the old lady is disrespecting the law. Threaten legal action and you won't have to deal with that again. You are not alone in this matter or how you are dealing with it.

[Ian Macpherson]

Yeah, threaten legal action against someone making a personal choice that the majority of the country feels he should be able to make without any legal repercussions.

People like you were the ones that sold out their neighbors taking part in the underground railroad.

Threating to ruin someone's life and land them in a heap of a legal rouble over smoking a little bud. You should be completely ashamed of yourself.

[Ian Macpherson]

I hate this whole "legality = morality" kick that people seem to be on. If picking your nose was illegal, and I was doing it public, most of the people around me would bleat bleat their way to an authority to report it. It's mindless and sad that this country has been reduced to allowing laws that often have no reflection of the will of the people.

That's right, 70% of the nation support legalization for medicinal purposes and slightly less than half for recreational.

How is the underground railroad reference weak? I find your underground railroad vs selling out your neighbor for kicking the crap out of his wife reference weak. Morally, you should obviously call the cops if your neighbor is beating his wife. If he's helping slaves escape to freedom, or of it's lighting up a doob, I don't see where either of those things should be your concern unless you have some sick moral compass..

Also, as you said, "If someone is using an illegal substance in public, then they are just asking to be busted. The heap of legal trouble would be nobody else's fault but their own." Their own. As in, their choice. Your choice to play vigilante and call the cops on somebody would by nobody else's choice but your own.

[J.D.Guy]

oh here comes the majority argument, for one, is it?!! if it was, then why isn't it legal if that's what the majority wants? the majority of people thought the world was flat, hung and outcasted people if they thought otherwise. the mob is often mislead and rarely possess any original thoughts. many are followers. and secondly, if the majority made decisions, we'd be nowhere. The highest IQ's are a minority. google it.

wow, now we're to be compared to racists with the underground railroad remark? wow, that's funny, kinda giggling at that one. we should be ashamed of ourselves? for what, having high moral values and ethical standards? lmao, man, this guy . i'll remain speechless with respect to any of your comments moving forward. Your moral ineptitude is why this sport struggles to be what so many want it to become, and ya don't give a hoot. well, actually, you give a hoot about mary jane, not the growth of the sport.

Back to Robey, So, i should turn a blind eye amidst my wife and my children? that's how i should deal with it? how bout not having to deal with it because its illegal, duh?! get a clue peeps. I intend to make disc golf a family affair. my kids will see enough peer pressure at school. they don't need to see it in the "Professional Disc Golf Association", not "social recreational pot-smoking disc throwin association". well, i feel stupid for even writing this post, like telling an alcoholic he's an alcholic, they almost never get it. People with low morals are hard to talk to when everything in their life is so ........, l a i d b a c k....

[Eric Day]

teach the local k9 unit to play disc golf that would be a fun soprise for them lol I bet they would reconsider there actions