Frustrated in big slow groups?

Am I the only guy who hates playing in groups of 5 and six with slow ass people?  Also, I'm sick and tired of playing with people who smoke pot while they play.  If this happends again I'm quitting the group and playing somewhere else even its a tag match.  Today I was waiting for some friends to join me after doubles and a few people wanted to start a tag match.  Well when i said I was waiting for someone else, they started to make comments because I had a #14 of 75 tag.  Well i can care less, the tag is a souvenir for me more than anything but I didn't want the Club to start to cast me out so I played.  Well this was going so slow with 6 people and I hate that.  Then in the middle of the match an old lady pulls out pot and starts smoking which pisses me off to no end.  I didn't want to disrespect the old lady so i didn't say anything.  Well in the end I ended up with a 53 tag which i don't care.  To put it in perspective, I shot a -7 on the same course yesterday and today it was a Par.  Am I alone in this matter?

[ROBEY the one.]

Getting a contact high is a myth, unless your in a small enclosed space and somebody is smoking and exorbitant amount of marijuana your kid will never get a contact high. Your entitled to your opinion, I'm not a smoker but it doesn't bother me, why are you so uptight?

I agree that the kids should never be exposed to that and I would have no respect for someone blatantly smoking in front of a kid, but why are you playing with these people if you have kids and know they're are gonna do this?

As far as being performance enhancing that is just a dumb statement, and I will not even go there.

[4U2NV]

The people I play with don't smoke pot, I am talking about others on the course. You can light up and even after you have left the hole the stench lingers.

Some people actually think they play better because it "Calms the nerves" so yes, if it really has that kind of effect on a person it is essentially performance enhancing.

[Casey Olson]

Are you seriously suggesting that people who need medicine should take man made drugs rather than a natural god given substance that happens to help many people. You choose who you play with. You can't get a contact high without contact. Make sure your kid doesn't see anyone smoking cigarettes, they are legal and they kill people! I could go all day!

[4U2NV]

Wow, seriously? Cigarettes kill people, who knew? There is not a surgeon general's warning or anything. Oh wait there is... Yet people are dumb enough to expose not only themselves to it but their children. SURPRISE! Again this is why stupidity is so rampant in the world today.

As for your question about herbal medicine vs man made drugs. What is the benefit of smoking the pot vs say eating it? Better yet, Basil, Oregano, Rosemary are all good anti-inflammatory herbs, why don't we just start smoking them? Man made drugs, although having side effects are good for a number of conditions. But seriously, find me ONE (1) that you smoke. Find me ONE (1) that causes side effects to other people. Find an FDA approved drug like that... can you do it? NO!!! I can hear it now "The FDA is in the pocket of big business, Blah Blah Blah." If you really think "The Man" is keeping things under wraps and intentionally deceiving you then you fool yourself. Anything you take into your body will have side effects depending on your tolerance to it. For instance Mushrooms make me break out in hives if I eat them, Certain pollens if I inhale them close my throat. All natural substances, both could have lethal side effects to me without the aid of an Epipen or a hell of a lot of antihistamines. If you have Crones' disease eating seeds could kill you. Drugs are made to help and must go through a rigorous process to even get on the market. Multiple tests on animals and people. Double blind studies, etc. If you need something to "Calm your nerves" then yes get a Drug or Herb that doesn't bother people around you.

So please go all day! I am looking forward to your genius thoughts, ideas, and science.

[Tha Big Hamm]

I'm diggin gerg here, disc golf clubs complain about how they have to clean p all the courses themseves and the city doesn't care aout the courses , well no kidding. The part that pisses me off about it is that noone in the club seems to ever say anything. I've only been playing for a year now and just joined the club in jan. If the Pot heads and drunkards are screwing the image of the sport then why are the clubs so leanient on this behavior. I take this game as a sport that I strive to compete and win, not hide out in the woods and be a micreant. (butchered that word) Can't tee off or putt without a freakin penis drawing on a basket or tee sign. Beer cans everywhere which I'm sick of picking up. Guess I'll have to be the a-hole that stands out and picks and chooses who I play with based on addictions to substances. Oh well. Maybe if I go against the grain soemthing will be done about it club-wise. Nothing sucks more than playing in aan awesome fun sport but being automatically deemed a drunk and pothead for it. When I first started I didn't understand why that was, ow I'm starting to see quite well. I'm glad tolorence was brought up, It seems there is a tolorence there and thats crap if you ask me. What other sport accepts this behavior? I don't think that the advent of disc golf during the period of hippies excuses thses people from abiding by the law an general etiquette.

[Ian Macpherson]

Good luck standing up to those damn potheads!

Only about 50% of the people who disc golf seem to smoke so from what I can see so you should have no problems getting them ostracized right off the course.

But seriously.. Not everyone who smokes pot plays their game slowly. Plenty of non smokers like to blah blah blah instead of tossing their disc. Safety breaks are also an excellent time to have a seat and get refreshed so you can throw 100% on that next hole.

You should probably judge people on a case by case basis instead of making a blanket judgement based on one facet of their personality.

[Tha Big Hamm]

no no, I may have explained wrong, I don't associate potheads with playing slow. It seems that any league games played around here are in big ass groups. Just today I was stuck in a big ass group because it was a leaugue tag match. In addition it contained potheads, and I ALSO forgot to mention....one of the guys always bring his freakin DOG that runs around pissin on everything. Russing on the teepad while ou trying to drive and running all over the place while you are trying to putt. This wouldn;t bother me AS BAD but one time the dog was rustling in the leaves all around me while i was trying for a long putt butwhile the dog owner was trying to putt I sat on my chair and creaked and he looked at me with a crap look.

[Wicked Dyes]

Not all pot heads are bad people that trash the course either. The group I play with most of us smoke. We take pride in our courses. When we play we not only leave with what we brought but usualy we leave with more. We pick up trash and bottles as we go.

Don't get me wrong I'm not standing up for all smokers but I am standing up for the good ones that are out to help the community.

[Casey Olson]

Big groups need to split in two. Never more than 5 people per card unless playing doubles sometimes you end up with 3 groups on a card. I should keep the rounds under three hours. If you need a break make sure there are no groups waiting on you.

[ROBEY the one.]

What sport doesn't have these people? people that smoke pot are everywhere! (every major sport has people that have tested positive for marijuana, and hundreds more that use but haven't gotten caught). probably a lot of people that you have looked up to in your life have done it or do it, just because you dont know about it or it isn't obvious doesn't mean its not happening. Wake up!

You can blame people that smoke for the littering and vandalism but thats called stereotyping. Sure some idiots that do that stuff may smoke weed but from what I know to be true a lot of the people combating the problems also smoke weed (some, not all).

If you want to stereotype the people that do this at least use a accurate stereotype like, Immature males with bad upbringings and poor morals.

I'm not a pothead, but I know plenty of them, and they are all just people who come from all different walks of life and backgrounds with varying sets of morals and beliefs. Just like you and I. Are you perfect? doubt it, I'm not either but I dont judge people based on thier lifestyles but rather how they act towards other people. I dont like some of them (potheads or drunks) but I'm not gonna stop talking to the lot of them because of a couple I don"t like, thats stupid.

Don't play with them if you don't like what they do on the course, you wont hurt thier feelings, I assure you.

[J.D.Guy]

Robey, i can't agree with you, (no hard feelings) and an earlier post. I mean, you try to make the comparison that all sports have it. For one, i'm sure the scale is a little more slided toward our sport. 2ndly, if Ricky Williams was doing it, it was tucked away in his home, at a party, etc., not on the football field next to his teammates, challenging their moral code and expecting them to be tolerant of it. You can be tolerant of people who commit criminal activities i'm sure by turning a blind eye to it. I'm sure we all have or do. me---> guilty. When these folks put others in that predicament out in public, it's not cool.

I don't think The Big Hamm was stereotyping. He actually recalled experiences. Because he talked about slow groups, potheads and people who trashed the course, everyone who slapped the "Stereotype" label on him in this thread assumes that 1 of the 3 things he doesn't like about this sport is causing the other two. You guys are drawing your own conclusions.

Some people are more tolerant of certain crimes than others because their own values/beliefs say that some recreational drugs should be ok. I don't have a problem with ppl that do it, i have family members that do it daily and i still love them. i have a problem with people who do it around me because its an illegal activity.

You can only say it to folks so many times till your blue in the face. So, here's my choices: 1. Bark at anyone i see doing it, say something about it. (could result in escalation, fighting or could get him/group to quit <--- not likely). 2. Walk away (does nothing to curb future behaviors, could result in course shutdown, like my homecourse Bear Creek is being threatened to do if this behavior continues). 3. Be a vigilante, do a citizen's arrest, or call the police. The latter being the best choice because i could call and not be involved, could be anonymous,would have the biggest impact on future behavior, but authorities will track this information for the citizens who pay taxes in that city who could complain and ask for a course shutdown.

Sounds to me like all the choices suck. So, what can we do? Well, i think The Hamm did the right thing. Bring it up as a subject on the largest Disc Golf Site, get the influential leaders involved, hope they become good ambassadors and talk about it at Tourney and Club meetings. Once they do, they'll be sending a message that perhaps it isn't cool and shouldn't be tolerated and it would help to cut down on illegal activities of not only pot-smoking but other crimes, i.e., fighting, drinking on courses where illegal, etc. Awareness on a global scale is far better than me getting into scuffs at my local DGC. I do like my opinions, but its just me, IMO.

[Ian Macpherson]

Choice 4: Start your own private course where you can play all by your lonesome, since you apparently can't appreciate the idea that this sport is, by nature, counter-culture.

Believe it or not, just being around someone doing something illegal, especially something as minor or smoking cheeba, is not going to get you arrested. I've met and known police officers that actually make it a point not to harass potheads or even spend any time on them because they realize that they've many more important things to work on. Such as protecting the citizenry from actual violent criminals.

Do you also choose between barking, walking away, or calling the cops when someone you know jaywalks? Cause that's illegal too, ya know.