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For some odd reason beyond me, my roommate Wade seems to think an ace is a bad shot. I am just wondering if anyone else thinks this. IMO An ace is a good shot no matter what, Intentional or Unintentional and the goal of Disc golf is to get the disc in the basket in as few throws as possible.

Wades Opinion:
IMO An ace is a bad shot because no matter how many times you throw a shot, Even if you are throwing for an ace 1000 times, and you hit it once, IT IS A BAD SHOT! Why would you throw a shot 1000 times when after 500 you know its not going to go in? I can say Ive played a couple courses 500 times and I have learned to throw the deuce. That's all I'm saying.

Back to my thoughts now. Okay lets roll with this throw for an ace 1000 times and hit it once. Okay I hit it once (although chances are I will hit it much more than once.) How many of those 999 misses did I deuce? So how does that change from going for the lay up or for the Ace? If your trying to lay it up and ace is that a poor shot? An ace run is a chance for a 1 but leaving yourself with a good chance for a 2. Period. If you try to lay it up as best as possible that would be right next to the basket your still aiming at the basket trying to get an easy two, If you try and ace and land right next to the basket (or ace which as we all know is better than a deuce) both shots had the same Idea: Get as close to the basked as possible. Same idea in both shots, So Whats the difference? What makes one bad and the other good? If you try to lay up 1000 times and lay it up once does that make laying up a bad idea? This is really just an argument between me and wade that I want some other opinions on. Its all in fun though. :)

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The only time an ACE run is a bad idea is if the hole is located on a side of a cliff, or somewhere that the shot, if it didn't go in, would end up very far away from the basket. It would be foolish to try to ACE such a hole.
thats what I've been trying to get across
The only time it is a good idea to throw an ace run is if the basket is in a hole so if you get it in the hole, you are guaranteed the disc wont be far from the basket.
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My friend threw and ace at the Ponds last weekend across the Pond from the short tee on and overhand shot. It was a cheater throw but it was still a good shot. LOL
Do you consider tomahawks and thumbers as cheater throws?
A thumber in the winds that an open course like that gets its kinda risky to begin with. And imo sounds like it was going to be a good shot, but that one just got better. Some guys/girls can overhand shots within a five foot circle with unlimited ceiling room 40 times out of 50. 80% is pretty good odds for someone with a sweet thumber. If he doesn't have that kind of overhand shot then it was a lucky shot. Either way good job to your buddy hope you paid.
The Ace is a bad shot argument is that it is better to try and park the shot than to run at the basket on average. An ace run that misses is usually 40' or more past the basket where as a "park run" that doesn't end up under the basket is still usually pretty short. So when shooting for score you are better off aimind or the dirt under the basket than the basket itself, generally. There are plenty of holes out there where an ace run is still a pretty safe shot but on most holes the better shot is to put it under the basket. That being said I would say thet most aces are "park runs" that were thrown too high and got lucky. Of course I still jump and scream whenever I get one.
This also kind of depends on what disc you're using, how wide open the hole is, the range, whether there is any obstruction around/behind the hole, etc. Depending on the line you take, the difference between a parkjob and an ace isn't always that big. IE. If you are throwing an up-down shot for a wide open short basket instead of a straight shot, the shot can either just make it to the basket and drop in, or come short and it becomes a parkjob.
Or if you swing it out with a hyzer and come sideways at the basket. Thats what I try to do if I have the room and they rarely land more than 20' away, usually closer.
Exactly what I was thinking when I wrote that. A nice loping hyzer run at the basket can either park or ace, a lot of time it's a matter of a couple feet. And even if you overshoot, it's rarely by much.

Also with a midrange you can often make that hyzer run, barely miss, and the disc just sits down when it hits dirt.
Hole 2 at Robert Morris in Kalamazoo, Michigan. http://www.dgcoursereview.com/gallery.php?id=193&mode=gal# What hyzer?


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