Was on the fence at first, but after getting use to it and a couple road skips! The thing just rips! If I'm not mistaken it's got the same flight # as the Valk. Minus the speed that is. I have to add. That if you have smaller hands it might be a problem. The rim is huge!
I tried my friends out to see how I liked it and it was good. Got mine in a heavier weight (173) and LOVE it. For me its overstable. It still has the high speed turn but will for sure come out big time. I know there are differences in discs so if you get one it may fly a little different. Like Rescue said, the rim is huge, but if you have big hands then no worries. Good luck!
I like mine, I throw a lot of more overstable discs than the groove so it pretty much just carries further. Downhill and tailwind shots are nice for me with this disc. Try some out, don't listen to everything you read about the disc on any site including this one. Try it out, it just might be what you are looking for or it may be one that you need to leave in the dust.
Precisely my thoughts Alec. Try it out and if you don't like it, trade it away because everyone wants one.
So far...after 5 throws at night where I couldn't see the line, the disc appears to be long. I was throwing on a slight hyzer and I don't think I really got it to hyzer flip for an S shot, but it still went as far as my current long drivers (teerex-x) thrown on a perfect turnover flex shot. SOO I think if I get the right release angle dialed in, this thing would be a bomber. I'm not sure my hands can handle the rim though... :-( I'm not too happy about that.
I just bought one a month or so ago. I wasn't immediatly impressed, that is, until I found that it suits me well on forehand drives. For me, it's great for getting around obstacles off the tee pad, but I try to keep it low. This disc is fast and has a lot of glide, so if I throw it too high it goes forever, sometimes farther than I want it to. But this, of course, is all relative to my throwing style. You may have a different experience. Just throw one. If it works for you and you like it, keep it. If not, I'll take it! : )