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I have been a Discraft user but recently filled the bag with Innova. Today I finally finished the collection with a 174 KC Pro ROC.
From looking at the specs (4,4,0,3) I figured it would be a stable straight flight with a nice fade at the end. But when I threw it for my tee shot on a 270 foot hole it totally flipped anny and dived to the ground. (I released it flat with a medium height). It happened again on two other shots. There was a slight breeze form the left and I throw RHBH.
My ESP Buzz would stay pretty flat when thrown the same way. Is there a "secret" to throwing the ROC or does it tend to play more like 4,4,-2,0 ?

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I could never throw mids in the beginning either, partly because I used a power grip on everything. I also found that I was throwing like a windmill instead of straight across my chest with snap. Also, I was turning over my wrist sometimes. Now a Roc and Buzzz are my most thrown discs, at least for winter time and the short courses. Just in case you're wondering I have 3 Rocs, DX, KC, Star Classic...174, 175, 174 respectively. Also, 2 of the Buzzz, FLX and Z....174 and 175.

I know what you mean about the 180 Star Roc, my buddy has one and I love it.

Regardless of what side of the fence you're on, the Roc and the Buzzz are both amazing discs. I use them both and use them for different things.
My buddy has a 180 and it does fly a bit more stable. I worked with the KC Pro today and got more comfortable with it. My only concern was that all of the other Innovas I am using have matched there rating descriptions. This was the only disc that did not play to its description. Other than that I worked out the shot shapes with it and will keep it in the bag.
Thank goodness Jim did not ask how to throw his MRV. That discussion might go on seemingly forever.
Isn't that a SUV made by Honda? ;)~
I guess it wasn't as much as how to throw it, but more about what it's supposed to do. The ratings didn't match the flight (at least not for me). My Discraft will stay in the bag, just have to hide it in between the other stuff so my practice buddies leave me alone. Or move out your way and come out of the "Discraft Closet" :)
As others have said, I would try a 180g. Also, I always find the ontario roc (KC Pro) to be a little too understable for me. I throw Star and Glow 180s and they're my favorite driver for tight lines. Those are the rancho hold however.
Rancho mold, not hold..
I hadn't thrown a KC Roc in 3-4 years, used to find it useless. Tried another one this week just for the heck of it, and I still find it useless! It's not just you.
Well I gave in to the peer pressure of my playing buddies and went to the Innova side. However I can't find a better midrange than my ESP and Z Buzzz. Therefore the Buzzz will stay in the bag!
You get a flat top DX roc. You get it nice ans beat in. Cut's and gashes are a good thing. Then you throw a RHBH roller with it. Nothing works better for 200 feet minus shots. That is how I throw a ROC. Everything else is discraft as far as mids go. I throw mostly innova drivers however.
just put my bag together again...It's Discraft mids also (Buzzz, Comet, Drone) and Innova Fairway and long drivers also (Valks, Roadrunner, Eagle, TL, Leopard, Destroyer). But I am going to use a Mako, its pretty darn straight.
I love the mako. One more again, I love the Mako. It's fun to throw, but it pretty much overlaps what I can do with any of my putters in the pile at home.


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