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I've been lookin at Innovas Distance Drivers, for a disc that will get me a huge hyzer in the open grass (although trees dont necessarily matter). Preferably Pro, or Star plastic.
These discs caught my eye
Boss (13,5,-1,3) : Smack dab in the middle of the Flight C chart. Lots of speed. Seems great, but what about the Turn at -1? Will that take away from the huge hyzer im lookin for?
Katana (13,5,-3,3) : I used to own a Katana, but gave up on it because it had just came out and I didn't know much about it. Now that I think about it I really wish i still had it because I know i could rip one very far. Although I have never owned a Boss, I'm aware that both discs have very wide rims does this help with bigger hyzers? And again, what about the Turn at -3? Will this pull away from a hyzer?
Destroyer (12,5,-1,3) : Obviously a good disc. The physical characteristic appeal to me because the rim is not so broad. Seems like a go to disc dealing with hyzers. Probably my number one pick
Firebird (9,3,0,4) : Not very much speed, but the turn and fade seem to add up to make one believe this disc will put out a huge hyzer.
Beast (10,5,-2,2) : I own a 174g Beast, seems to me like i could pull off a nice hyzer, but the flight characteristics dont add up..which is why I'm looking elsewhere.
Any suggestions on these five discs would be great
It depends on what you're trying to do. Most people think too narrowly about hyzer discs. You don't need an overstable disc to throw a hyzer. In fact it's often counter-productive. When you're trying to get as far left as possible and the ceiling isn't an issue, an overstable disc is the wrong choice. Overstable plastic wants to cut left and hit the ground. You start one of them on a hyzer and it will just dive to the ground that much faster. In this situation you're better off with a straighter flying disc (I use a champ TL 7,5,0,1) because when you start it on the hyzer angle, it will hold that line longer and glide along that line. I recommend everyone have this disc in their bag for these shots. Teebirds work well too, but are still going to pull to the ground a little faster. The understable discs aren't the best either because they'll flip up flat off your line (which is why the beast may not be a good candidate, but may be depending on your power level).
You also don't need an overstable for knife hyzers. If you put almost any driver on that near vertical line, it's going to stay that way.
The only time you really need an overstable disc is well, for headwinds obviously, but also for those low ceiling shots when you can't throw the big hyzer because you don't have enough height to pull it off. This is what is known as a flat hyzer. I'll often use an XCaliber (12,5,0,4) or a Firebird (9,3,0,4) or a Discraft Zone (I would rate it 4,2,0,3 on Innova's system) for these shots depending on the distance. They are good choices because they will hold your flat line for a bit (hence the 0 HSS) and then bite hard left, often with a good skip when you throw them low and hard. It is a great shot to have in the bag.
But you asked about open field hyzers and so I'd definitely pick up a TL or a Stalker or something that flies straight, doesn't flip, but doesn't fade much either.
Hopefully this will jump you ahead on the disc golf learning curve, I wish I'd known it 4 years ago. I still see guys that can throw farther than me struggle to get something to bend way left because they are using the overstable stuff and it's dropping out on them.
Thanks dude. Learned a lot from that. Your right about not necessarily needing a over stable disc to create a hyzer shot, as it will just decent too quickly. One thing im wondering, is about the beast. Its not too over or under stable, it seems just right for the hyzer im looking for.
Have you tried one? How far is an average drive for you? It'd probably work fine unless you really have a canon of an arm (400'+). In a headwind the Beast will probably flip up too much. Then again in a strong headwind, almost anything will flip up too much and you have to adjust your release.
Star TeeBird is a great hyzer disc. Brandon is correct that you don't need an overstable disc to hyzer. It is more about the line. Put a Star TeeBird on a line and it will track the line, especially a hyzer line. That is how I got my last ace. A pure hyzer bomb with a Star TeeBird.
the firebird would be a good choice for hyzers, but it all depends on how much power/control you have. with ultimate control you could hyzer any of these discs, but too much power could turn any of these over. another disc to look into is the max, its overstable and higher in speed than the firebird a great disc for long hyzer shots...