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Over the weekend I played on a new course for a tournament.  The property was lovely.  It had water, elevation, mature trees and plenty of space.  There were many tight, technical shots but not a single dumb hole.  The tee pads sucked but this is totally forgivable on a new course.  Many players mentioned how much they loved the course. 

The course was righty hyzer dominant:  a not uncommon condition in courses everywhere.

Hyzer dominant courses are the fast food of disc golf.  They may be popular but they are an evil treat because they don't force players to learn the hardest shots.  A course which has too many righty hyzer shots is not even worthy of a "fast food" label.  It turns into a non-stop TWINKIE DIET.  It builds no muscle.

Great courses build great players.  Weak courses don't.  Course designers do no favor to the players when they build hyzer courses. 

Eat nothing but Twinkies for the next year and tell me how you feel.


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Very well put Mark. I have found that course designers who create hyzer dominent courses are taking the game backwards. They want to keep it how it was in the late 90's where all you needed was a hyzer. If we truely want to progress the game, courses should require many different shots at various lengths and lines. Although those courses are much more difficult, I find them also much more fun and in the end having the most fun is what it is all about.
Agree, and haven't had a twinkie for at least 20 plus years.
What seems to help, is when the 'course designers' throw both hyzer and anhyzers.
And if lucky can throw a reasonable flick (sidearm).
I hear, ...he wants lefty hyzer courses only, lol.
I like courses that force you to shape your shots in a variety of ways. I am a righty backhander with no forehand to speak of, but black locust is one of my favorite courses. I also contend that a lot of the right turning holes favor a righty anhyzer approach over a lefty hyzer. Hole #3 at Black Locust for example I feel favors the smooth consistent turn of an anhyzer over a lefty hyzer that's gonna finish sharp right. So here is a vote from a RHBH dominant player for more courses like Black Locust.
I totally agree with this statement. I find that the most fun holes that I play aren't the RHBH hyzer shot holes at any course. I just played the course at Aptos High School the other day and I can safely say that my favorite hole of the entire course was hole two. Thick woods, uphill, and the only good tunnel you have will force you to throw a disc that you can put a wicked S curve on. Oh, and this tunnel starts about 75 feet from the tee and is about 10 feet wide. For a player that is Recreational in every sense of the word, that hole looked impossible, but throwing on it was wicked awesome. So I am all for the reduction of RHBH favored holes and getting some more ridiculous holes going out there. Holes that you can feel accomplished on no matter how well you shot because you got through that crazy, asinine, demented hole.
lol 'twinkies'...i like to say 'tastes like chicken',so many different courses that taste the same.
but i totally agree,to many 'righty' courses.
do you think its because the designers are righthanded? ive only met a couple of designers and they were both righthanded(using the logic side of the brain),maybe if there were some left handed designers,courses might have more imagination... i dont know,just a thought
excuse me but...

the tee pads were dirt, and cement tee pads are going to be put in this year at that course. It does not mean the tee pads suck. they are just a different material making the player focus that much more on what he/she must do.

As for being a righty hyzer course... I would agree if you did not count the crazy right turn on hole 2, the very tight right turn on hole 6, the long hole 10 which is perfect for a forehand or lefty backhand shot, hole 16 which has a nice path (instead of having to hope you make it through the trees), and 18 which has a better path for a forehand shot, then the small opening if you go right at the hole. Once you eliminate the straight shots, righty hyzers really do not dominate the course.

The course was made with what we were given. We were not allowed to cut down very many trees, and we went from there. Saying the course is a righty-hyzer course if far from true, and complaining about it seems ridiculous especially when you won your division. While playing the past weekend I threw many backhand shots, forehand, thumbers, and a roller on one occasion.

If other courses are RHBH dominant, then take that as a chance to build yourself up, instead of talking about the course designer not doing a good enough job.

Every course is different, with different challenges at each one. I don't think there should be any reason to complain or ridicule any course. Play with what you are given, and enjoy every minute of it.
i just want to say that i dont think that Mark took this time to single-out and bash your new course,and my post wasnt meant to be a dis to any course or their designers,its just that alot of courses that ive played do favor rhbh over lfbh,thats all.im a RH BH/FH player,and of course i love RH hyzer throws,but i do like to practice my anhyzer/sidearm too

peace
If the cement pads aren't in, then maybe the design can be tweaked before they are put in? That's why it's good to test a layout to determine whether lengths could be better or shot shape modified before making it more permanent.
http://www.pdga.com/course-design-validation
Chuck, I know that we were talking about moving some of the tee pads around, but since it is a nature park, our options are somewhat limited. We are doing our best. I think it is a wonderful course, I hate the hills, but love to play them. The carnivorous ants and creeping poison ivy helps make even more challenges!
huh? creeping poison ivy. sorry jon won't see you there anytime soon
Maybe some alternate basket positions can be added in later and there you go. I don't want to comment on the specific course since I have not played it. On my home course (which was put in around 1994) we have added to it so that it can play many different ways. I have seen every single kind of shot thrown. Nobody plays the course the same. I think that it offers up some great challenges no matter what you like to throw.

The funny thing is that last year we added a lot of new pin positions. Sometimes the ones that I chose to put in are anhyzer shots for me (RHBH). For a lefty they are simply hyzers of course. So when I put in a new position it isn't necessarily the easiest shot for me. It's what plays to the land.

Course design is often dictated by the layout of the land. It is a process and you need input from some good players. I long for some par 4 and par 5 courses but that takes more land. But extra pin positions gives you more options. One day it's a hyzer hole. The next day it's an anhyzer hole.

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