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I picked up a Discraft Z Crush (and several other models) from the used disc bin at the Disc Nation store in south Austin ( great stock and very cordial staff ) this week. I got my first chance to play them this morning and I'm already in love with the Crush. I throw sidearm and the Crush is just overstable enough to scribe a big hyzer with lots of glide. There are two nearly 90 degree, right hand dog legs on this course. The first half of the dog legs are shorter than the second half. This Crush put my drive closer to the basket than I've ever been before, easy birdies. It also saved me from double bogey when I made a horrible drive and ended up in a thicket of 20 ft high juniper trees. The underbrush was too thick to throw out except back the way I came. In desperation I tried a tomahawk, which I seldom throw and never practice. It was almost perfect, at least better than any previous tommy I've thrown. It could have been a par, but my putt was wide of the mark.

The Crush is definitely in the bag. Not sure yet about the others discs I picked up. I wasn't nearly impressed with the Surge ESP, SurgeSS FLX. Neither of them displayed any of the extreme glide that I'd heard about. Neither has as much glide as the Z Glide or Z Crush. I don't yet know whether I just need more practice with these discs (plastics) or whether the Z plastic just performs better for me.

Anyone else experience less glide with ESP or FLX?


Tags: Crush, Discraft, ESP, FLX, Surge, SurgeSS, Z, plastic

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The esp was my big dog in the bag before the Nuke. I still keep 2 surges and 2 rogues in my bag. Rogues are more or less a surge ss. I would keep trying. Before I met the surge I threw 300 ft. Within a few months of field practice with it I was pushing 400. They are great discs in any stability. I keep flippy and stable. Stick with em.

The crush is my favorite Hyzer disc.
The Z Crush has been a staple in my bag for years (I'm a sidearmer, too) for strong hyzers or into-the-wind drives. Comparable discs are the Z Force and the Z Reaper which are worth trying.

As a general rule, Z plastic comes out flatter than ESP, which I prefer.

The Z Flash is the longer, straighter, brother of the Crush. In recent runs the Z Flash has been excellent and my primary driver. Some of the runs from a few years back were much more understable and not as useful to me. None of the Z Flashes fight winds like a Crush.

Since you like the Crush, try a couple more and a couple of Flashes, too. You will likely find very useful minor variations in stability. Between Crushes and Flashes I usually carry 4 to 8 of them in my bag at any given time. It used to be more but the Nuke taken some space away from the other drivers because it goes farther than anything else.
I started out throwing sidearm and the "CRUSH" was the first disc I bought.
I also had a love affair with the Z Crush. It did so well in the wind for me. It sat right next to my Z Surges (don't give up on the Surge... try a Z plastic. I find they have great glide). But since the release of the Z Nuke, the Crush has been sidelined. I can get the Nuke to work just as well in the wind or I can club up to a Halo or Pulse.
I am in love with my ESP Crush. It was my main driver for a long time. It is well seasoned and straighter than it used to be, but is so dependable.

I also love my esp Flashes, but am surprised to learn that the current runs of Z Flashes are a longer straighter cousin to the Crush. Now I have to try them out. Thanks for helping fuel my plastic addiction Mr. Ellis.
I am a sidearmer and just purchased a z crush, z flash, x comet and d magnet ( my brother)

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