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I was wondering what people think of the groove driver from innova,i just bought one but have yet to through it.I thought about a boss but it might be a little much for me.Any other suggestions for long drives.

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how far can you throw with drivers that aren't a speed of 13?
I've been using a Groove most of the season. I wasn't sure about it at first. It seemed to fly for me much like my Destroyer. I'm not sure whether I should be throwing a disc of this speed, but I seem to be getting better with it and I am now able to get it to fly straighter with less fade than the Destroyer. My Groove is 172g and most of my other drivers are 167g. I'm having good results with lighter, less stable plastic too, so I don't know what I should be throwing. I will say that i use the Groove enough that if I loose it, I will probably get another one.
Me and the groove dont get along, if you can throw it more power to ya. I love my Boss, but cant get a handle on the groove
I love my groove. It can be hard to handle sometimes because it is less stable than the boss, but it has such a beautiful flight that when you do get it down, it's totally worth it. I would suggest mostly forehand drives though because it's hard to generate the same type of disc speed from a backhand.

A less intimidating, long distance disc would be the wraith. I don't own one but I know that my buddies love it.

If you're having trouble with stability I'd suggest the star plastic for the groove, even though Innova only makes it in champion. You gotta order it online... here's my beauty in ecostar plastic...

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Thanks for the info.
ehh. I either get good "D" or it just hyzers out for me, but I'm just on the fringe of it's reccomended distance requierment. I'll stick with my Wraith it seems to be more consistant or is it me that's inconsistant lol!
I love the groove. For me its one of my longest drivers (other is my boss). The groove for me is strait with a small fade at the end. I dont have a big arm and it works for me.
I tried to throw the groove but dont have the arm for it. I bought a 150 boss and throw it alot better.
I love my Groove, I'm not a super power thrower, and I keep hearing that it's only good for the strongest of arms. I can only throw the thing between 380 to about 450 depending on my own mechanics. No matter, it still always seems to be a dependable driver for me that even when thrown with a sloppy release it S curves to end just slightly left of the direction I throw it. It works for me about the same as my Boss, except it's a little easier to control with a hard hard rip. I have had it anhyzer out on me throwing into a headwind but it never fully turned over and actually just anhyzered low and long ending up landing far right side of the fairway about 400' out leaving me a 100' putt straight from the right of the basket, if it had gone straight it would have been a drop in putt. (My boss and groove are the same color so I can sometimes get them mixed up when I'm in a hurry lol.)
Just traded my Champion Groove - I just don't have the distance to throw it well and I never got the hang of it. Best improvement to my distance was buying an R-Pro Boss (but the plastic is FRAGILE and can't handle hitting anything but the ground - heck, even the ground seems to gouge the edges!) I love the way the R-Pro Boss flies!
Back to the Groove. They fly nice, sometimes. It seems to be a small "sweet spot" disc, by that I mean there is little room for error in your release point/angle/snap whatever. For me the disc is just too inconsistant, or it is just me. But it seems other discs that fly the same everytime are a better fit for me than trying to study the exact throwing style for this one disc that I would use maybe 3-4 times during a round (depending on the course), and gamble on the end result. Go to a nice grassy field and give it some consideration, you may like it. If not, there are many other choices for a good driver out there. To each his own. (shameless plug) If you like it I have 3 Champ first runs 2 new, one used if you are interested.

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