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Here is an true story example. My friend had his house robbed, discs, bag, all of his extra discs among many other things. The Michigan State Police found these guys when robbing other houses months later. When the police went to the house where the suspects were storing a lot of their stolen items everything was returned that they still had, the police even found the pawn shops where these guys were taking stuff for cash all over west Michigan. The pawn shops had to return all of the items including discs with my friends name on them or that matched the description of his property or any items these guys had taken in. The pawn shops even had to furnish the police the contact info for people who had purchased possible stolen items.
Another example would be ship wrecks or sunken boats. Just because the owner abandoned ship and claimed it as a loss to insurance, does not mean it is yours if you dive down and get it. It still belongs to that owner, insurance company, or government that it belonged to.
If I lost my car in a drunken stooper and didn't know where I parked it, then see some guy driving it around a few days later I should thank him for finding it and offer him a reward to get it back, right. HELL NO! If a person calls me and says hey I found your disc I can meet you at "X location" and give it to you. Sweet! I will be more than happy to ask them what they throw or what kind of plastic they like and take them a disc for finding mine or let them keep mine if I have already replaced it. Thats how it works.
Even when I was new to the game I wasn't that oblivious to the fact that when you come across a disc with a name and especially a number or email on it, you call or email them, that is why it is on the disc in the first place. Same when you buy one off the guys that go pond jumping and sell the discs they find. There are many circumstances why a disc can be left behind, especially in water. If there is thin ice I am not walking out on it to risk drowning, but if it is found I do expect a call, same as I do for anyone else and I expect nothing in return, that is how it is supposed to go. That is good karma. It sounds like some of you just like to justify why it should be yours to make yourself feel better about stealing. Hey, if a wallet gets left somewhere on the course I guess that is yours too even though it has an ID inside, right? You should be entitled to some kind of reward but then if the person dosn't want to give you one you get to keep it I guess. Wow, some people are so honest these days.
i agree. except with the water. if you were given ample time to retreive it after the ice was melted and said risk is gone you are giving up your rights to the disc. IMO. discs retreived from the water take effort time and somtimes some cuts and bruises to find, those should be yours to do what you want with them, return or not. especially if it has been under water for a long period of time, i.e. over a year or 5 seasons. if it means that much to you you should have gone after it, right? if it doesnt mean anything to you why would you want it back? is it magicly gonna make you a better player, doubt it.
Never said it would make you a better player. And as far as in the water, look at ship wrecks, some from the 1700's, they are now being discovered, but they are still the property of the government/country that lost it even though they are not going out actively looking for it. You are out in a pond, lake, river, looking for your disc and happen to find 5 others, if they have a name and number on them, you owe that person a call and their disc back if they want it. A reward is totally up to them. Under your theory how do you know how long the disc was there, and the fact that you have given them "ample time" to get it, or maybe they have been out there numerous times to find it with no luck? I have gone in a pond after a disc and not been able to find it, but if I found yours I would call you. It is the right thing to do. If you wish to do the wrong thing that is on you. Everyone has different morals, it is clear what yours are. What is the point of putting a name, number or email on the disc when someone like you finds it and doesn't call?
da "kingpin" said:i agree. except with the water. if you were given ample time to retreive it after the ice was melted and said risk is gone you are giving up your rights to the disc. IMO. discs retreived from the water take effort time and somtimes some cuts and bruises to find, those should be yours to do what you want with them, return or not. especially if it has been under water for a long period of time, i.e. over a year or 5 seasons. if it means that much to you you should have gone after it, right? if it doesnt mean anything to you why would you want it back? is it magicly gonna make you a better player, doubt it.
if you want to talk about the law or legal ownership or all legalities involved, then the person that finds your disc in the lake with YOUR NAME on it should probably call the police to report you littering. maybe he legally HAS to give it back to you, but you legally should pay a ticket for littering.
i dont keep anything i find. i return it if it has an apparent owner, or sell it cheap/give it to new players, but i also dont expect that people owe me their time and effort that they spent finding my disc with nothing in return.
they find your lost disc, you owe them, they dont owe you squat. be greatful.