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SO I entered into my first PDGA, the Luther Britt "Win or Swim" in Lumberton NC. This was my first ever event as well as some of my frineds that I play with weekly so we all went Recreational division. Well, there was only 6 Rec players but it was a heated battle and the winner was decided on the last hole on the last round! That was awesome. Here is my issue, since we played the "short" tees, it has been now discovered that we will not earn a players rating. We thought that was a "benefit of joining the PDGA" as well as the fact this was not told to us any differently. Even the TD thought this would happen. Well, after the event and some rules about propagators and I am stuck with no rating. I have asked both the club and the PDGA to refund my money. I have no problem returning my players pack and my winnings ($7 dx disc). Am I wrong for this? or am I right by wanting my rating?? Please help Note: this is my club that put the event on????

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Why would the short tees make any difference? They are poured concrete and sanctioning process was followed so it should count. By the way, some of those short tees make the for harder shots than a few longs at Luther Britt, fun course.
Never heard of such a thing. Is it a PDGA rule? or just for the tournament? Either way you would think the TD should inform you of the rules for that tournament ie..the 2 meter rule for discs in a tree. I wouldn't let one tournament jade you. What I've found through the years. Is that there are some tournaments that are a must to go to, and some you just stay away from.
http://www.pdga.com/members/benefits These are the benefits that you receive.

http://www.pdga.com/faq These are the FAQ's

You just have to do a little digging around to find all the answers. Short answer is you need X amount of propagators for X amount of rounds to get a rating. However, if you you can find the SSA for that course from those tees (important: from those tee's)you can calculate pretty close to what your rating would be. Asking for your money back just because your experience wasn't what you'd envisioned is a little bogus. Im sure a lot of effort went in to making the tourny happen. Sorry it didn't work out for you. Just play against a bigger field and everything should work out fine next time.
It only takes 3 people signed up (not 3 to actually play) to make a division in a sanctioned tourny.
yes but to get a rating you need people with a history of playing against other rated competitors to get rated. It may sound weird but they just didint have enough information to "compare" your scores to theirs.
Chuck, can you help Tino out with this?
He'll have your answer straight away, hang in there brother.
You did everything right and you should get a rating from that tourney.
So if 16 people joined the PDGA and played against each other in any division at a sanctioned tourny for their first ever event, none of them would get a rating?
ok are you shore you are not getting a rating... if so I think as pdga member you should call them you paid to to be a member and get the truth about it and if that not working for you talk to the TD and find out why the group is not getting a rating and ask him for the money from tournament back it's not the pdga's fault the TD should have told you and if he says he didnt know and it's frist tounament at that course then that just @#$%%% if you know what mean ..but IF THE TD HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND HE KNOWS THAT YOU WOULD NOT GET A RATING YOU NEED TO STOP PLAY AT HIS TOURNAMENT
I wrote a response already and have to sit on it for a bit and probably change it.

In short, Tino's group will get official ratings when we do them. But the online unofficial ratings software doesn't know how to do the manual process we have to do for this situation.
looks like you and rocky should have competed in intermediate! 20+ stroke lead for you guys! hehe BAGGER!!! welcome to pdga tournys!
Almost everything has a logical answer when one is able to think clearly and without clenched fists.
It sounds like the TD was actually trying to be nice and cater to your division by setting you up on the short tees as it would be a better fit for the Rec Division skill set. Instead of this being great for your division, it ended up not allowing you all to receive ratings. Not all TD's are familiar with all the math lingo used for ratings - SSA's, propagators, standard deviations, blah, blah, blah. They just know if they turn in the scores to the PDGA, the players get ratings. Now you, your friends and the TD have learned a valuable lesson.

You are not wrong for wanting a rating, but just because you did not get a rating, doesn't mean you are entitled to a refund. The PDGA certainly can't refund your money - as they did not put on the event - they only sanctioned it for a fee. The TD cannot give back your money as that went to pay for PDGA fees, park fees, trophies, prizes and player packs. The club or TD probably have no event money left - as most events are lucky to break even. They probably are working to pay off some outstanding bills as it is.

Try to look at it this way. You and your friends got to experience a PDGA event - which should be worth something. Now you know how it works and what to expect the next time out. You won a disc ($7.00) and got a players pack ($20.00). According to the entry form, you paid $30.00 to play, so you almost made all your money back. You also learned that in your next event you may need to remind the TD that your division should be playing the same tees as at least one other division that has rated players.

Once upon a time there were no ratings, or no player packs and only the top players ever went home with anything. Then we had to wait three months to read scores in the magazine - BUT WE LIKED IT!!

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