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Wanted to point out that Aviar has more championships than all other putters combined. No need to really agrue that point I guess. Hope this doesn't offend anyone. I have just come to realize that some folks on here are very very very sensitive. INNOVA 4 LIFE.
mateo said:
Gateway makes the best putters out there. Sure there are alot of aviar, challenger and magnet people out there, but nothing beats a wizard for true stability. I currently also use their new putter, the voodoo, downhill putts outside of 25 feet, something about the straight forward drop/fade of its flight. Also, Gateway has nailed an incredible mix of polymers in their plastic. It is really nice to have putters of the same mold, with the same stiffness, with different amounts of tack/grip on the exterior.
I have not thrown any Gateway drivers, but have owned an element and demon before, can't say that I would ever throw the demon unless there were 30 mph head winds, and the element is a quick mid-range, almost a slow driver, somewhere slower than a leopard with a little more stability. It is a larger diameter midrange, so it has decent glide. I found it to be a nice alternative to an Innova Shark, which has its distance limits due low HSS.

As for Latitude 64, I have only thrown two discs, the Core and the Vision, both in the Opto plastic. This is where Lat 64 has a potential edge on any other disc manufacture...the Opto line is the best feeling plastic there is.
I like the Core as a low speed midrange or a lofty turnover short range driver. Fairly useful for nice and low hyzer flips. I would probably have kept it in the bag if its uses weren't covered by the more versatile twosome I keep for the same purposes, the Innova Champ. Coyote and Star Kite.
The Vision I love as a long turnover driver, but is also very good for hyzer-flips and tail winds that need to turn a little. I think of the Vision as a slightly less stable Beast.

I have never thrown nor have I met anyone who has thrown a Lat 64 putter.

So there it is: Gateway has the edge on putters, Lat 64 has it on plastic. Doesn't seem very exclusive to me, but I am a fan of the mixed bag.
If you want to get technical the Aviar doesnt have a single championship. The player has it. Remember its the archer not the arrow.

Lets be honest give respect where respect is due, Each company has a great disc no matter who you talk to. Throw what works for you.
Latitude 64 really should be on everyones radar right now. The new Striker is challenger to the sainted TeeBird as a control driver. The XXX gives them a piggish overstable driver. They also have a new putter out. The Opto plastic is awesome. They are filling out their line-up very well. They probably have to, as Innova has targeted Europe with the Discmania brand. But whatever the reason, Latitude 64 is putting out quality products right now.
always so sorry to see someone condemning their life to such an inferior company. i like my discs to fly like the other ones that have the same name, color, and weight....maybe that's just me. btw - innova donates money to anti-disc golf organizations.

Jamie said:
Wanted to point out that Aviar has more championships than all other putters combined. No need to really agrue that point I guess. Hope this doesn't offend anyone. I have just come to realize that some folks on here are very very very sensitive. INNOVA 4 LIFE.
mateo said:
Gateway makes the best putters out there. Sure there are alot of aviar, challenger and magnet people out there, but nothing beats a wizard for true stability. I currently also use their new putter, the voodoo, downhill putts outside of 25 feet, something about the straight forward drop/fade of its flight. Also, Gateway has nailed an incredible mix of polymers in their plastic. It is really nice to have putters of the same mold, with the same stiffness, with different amounts of tack/grip on the exterior.
I have not thrown any Gateway drivers, but have owned an element and demon before, can't say that I would ever throw the demon unless there were 30 mph head winds, and the element is a quick mid-range, almost a slow driver, somewhere slower than a leopard with a little more stability. It is a larger diameter midrange, so it has decent glide. I found it to be a nice alternative to an Innova Shark, which has its distance limits due low HSS.

As for Latitude 64, I have only thrown two discs, the Core and the Vision, both in the Opto plastic. This is where Lat 64 has a potential edge on any other disc manufacture...the Opto line is the best feeling plastic there is.
I like the Core as a low speed midrange or a lofty turnover short range driver. Fairly useful for nice and low hyzer flips. I would probably have kept it in the bag if its uses weren't covered by the more versatile twosome I keep for the same purposes, the Innova Champ. Coyote and Star Kite.
The Vision I love as a long turnover driver, but is also very good for hyzer-flips and tail winds that need to turn a little. I think of the Vision as a slightly less stable Beast.

I have never thrown nor have I met anyone who has thrown a Lat 64 putter.

So there it is: Gateway has the edge on putters, Lat 64 has it on plastic. Doesn't seem very exclusive to me, but I am a fan of the mixed bag.
Jamie said:
Wanted to point out that Aviar has more championships than all other putters combined. No need to really agrue that point I guess. Hope this doesn't offend anyone. I have just come to realize that some folks on here are very very very sensitive. INNOVA 4 LIFE.
mateo said:
Gateway makes the best putters out there. Sure there are alot of aviar, challenger and magnet people out there, but nothing beats a wizard for true stability. I currently also use their new putter, the voodoo, downhill putts outside of 25 feet, something about the straight forward drop/fade of its flight. Also, Gateway has nailed an incredible mix of polymers in their plastic. It is really nice to have putters of the same mold, with the same stiffness, with different amounts of tack/grip on the exterior.
I have not thrown any Gateway drivers, but have owned an element and demon before, can't say that I would ever throw the demon unless there were 30 mph head winds, and the element is a quick mid-range, almost a slow driver, somewhere slower than a leopard with a little more stability. It is a larger diameter midrange, so it has decent glide. I found it to be a nice alternative to an Innova Shark, which has its distance limits due low HSS.

As for Latitude 64, I have only thrown two discs, the Core and the Vision, both in the Opto plastic. This is where Lat 64 has a potential edge on any other disc manufacture...the Opto line is the best feeling plastic there is.
I like the Core as a low speed midrange or a lofty turnover short range driver. Fairly useful for nice and low hyzer flips. I would probably have kept it in the bag if its uses weren't covered by the more versatile twosome I keep for the same purposes, the Innova Champ. Coyote and Star Kite.
The Vision I love as a long turnover driver, but is also very good for hyzer-flips and tail winds that need to turn a little. I think of the Vision as a slightly less stable Beast.

I have never thrown nor have I met anyone who has thrown a Lat 64 putter.

So there it is: Gateway has the edge on putters, Lat 64 has it on plastic. Doesn't seem very exclusive to me, but I am a fan of the mixed bag.


Jay Reading won his 1st 2 putting championships with a Wizard though......
i left out Quest because i was trying to keep the conversation about companies that make usable discs not just round crap made outta old air jordans. Hey let's argue the merits of Quest vs. Daredevil vs Snap vs Innova jr (millenium) vs innova jr jr (dicsmania) vs DGA

da "kingpin" said:
i like the gateway that i have thrown so far but most have been putters and approach discs; wizard, warlock, voodo. couple buddies have some drivers like the diablo DT and they really like them, found a blurr and threw it once had no real like/dislikes about it. have never thrown any lat64 plastic so i cant comment on them. why have you left out quest AT? as far as i know they are only company coming up with anything from outside of the box. people really liked thier turbo putters when they were PDGA approved. i have heard that thier "wheel"? is the biggest piece of crap ever invented and put into production, i personally couldnt even get a clean release to see if it even rolled straight with a friends. they do make a lot of understable discs that i have never even seen, but would like to try out.
total not worth posting, but maybe it will stir up some contravesy. oh god donny sydrome, shit, im screwed.
the above comments were made in jest THROW WHAT YOU LOVE, LOVE WHAT YOU THROW!
dan mccormick said:
i left out Quest because i was trying to keep the conversation about companies that make usable discs not just round crap made outta old air jordans but hey let's argue the merits of Quest vs. Daredevil vs Snap vs Innova jr (millenium) vs innova jr jr (dicsmania) vs DGA

da "kingpin" said:
i like the gateway that i have thrown so far but most have been putters and approach discs; wizard, warlock, voodo. couple buddies have some drivers like the diablo DT and they really like them, found a blurr and threw it once had no real like/dislikes about it. have never thrown any lat64 plastic so i cant comment on them.
why have you left out quest AT? as far as i know they are only company coming up with anything from outside of the box. people really liked thier turbo putters when they were PDGA approved. i have heard that thier "wheel"? is the biggest piece of crap ever invented and put into production, i personally couldnt even get a clean release to see if it even rolled straight with a friends. they do make a lot of understable discs that i have never even seen, but would like to try out.

total not worth posting, but maybe it will stir up some contravesy. oh god donny sydrome, shit, im screwed.
Sorry beatz, i don't get technical. Just for you. More men and women have won champinships with the aviar as there approach and putter than all other putter manf. combined. There. Blaze, you sound like a guy who's girlfriend was stolen by a Innova employee. I guess Innova doesn't get any credit for pulling discgolf out of the college backyards and into the national eye. What do you throw blaze, pie tins?
Im not asking you to get technical just for me. If you want to be delusional and not admit its the player that makes his game work and not the discs you go right on keep on keeping on bro. Hows that close mindedness workin out for ya ?
Beatz throws a mixed bag!!!
Oh boy....it really helps when you have the money and a slight monopoly on a sport. Why do they have the most wins??? How long have they been in the business??? Just asking. I guess that Innova is still an "upstart" company in Jamie's eyes. Wonder if Wham-o is still an upstart?
Being a disc seller I have seen a lot discs come through our store. Multiple runs. Latitude 64 has some nice grippy feeling plastic but it doesnt handle being beat in very well. Gateways putters are pretty awesome but their plastic is so inconsistent, it's crazy. I've felt SSS range from incredibly soft grippy to a rock hard slippery disc. And as for their drivers, they dont have much worth talking about. Quest has some good ideas so I'll give them credit for trying but some of their stuff is a little too different.lol. Snap is nearly useless. Diswing also has some good designs but bad plastic.

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