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Hey all, I need some help with Innova plastic types.

CE- Looking for ways to identify genuine CE.
When was it made?
Is there ever a CE disc that doesn't specifically say "Champion Edition?"
This term seems to be inserted in all kinds of discs that are for sale online, both new and old. Is there something currently produced or produced after the original CE that carries the "CE" badge?

Same questions for Pro Line. I seem to remember someone saying that there is new "Pro" and old "Pro Line." What is the old Pro Line like in terms of grip and durability? When was it made?

EchoStar- How's the durability and flight path of this plastic?

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Ya people do tend to throw out the term CE alot. On ebay I always see CE Roc, but it's not the case. Now I'll start this off by saying. I'm no expert, but I have purchased quite a bit of CE plastic over the years. So here is my take. IMO there seems to be two main types of CE. The first is the most sought after IMO (I'll use that term alot!) There were only a few discs in the first runs of the CE plastic. They were the Valk, Firebird FL (not sure if the Firebird was made in this batch?), Teebird and TL, Eagle and Leopard. I think that's it. Now this plastic feels like the Champ stuff to some degree. I think they made 1st and 2nd runs and possibly a third run in this plastic. The way you could tell this stuff apart. Was that you could not see through the plastic and the early runs were all red in color and they are indistructable. Some time between the 2nd and 4th? is when they started to make them in diff. colors. Now I think it was either the 3rd and 4th runs when the plastic started to look more like the current Champ. plastic that you know today. You could tell it was CE, because at the top of the discs it had Champion Edition across the top with a mini star under it. Now I know they also made some CE stuff here and there. Like the true CE Roc that goes for $$$$. I also have a CE Aviar and Classic Roc, but it seem to me they were kind of like CFR discs.
As for the Pro or Pro-Line. What I was told. Once they changed the CE plastic. It was renamed Pro-Line at first. Now I have a few Pro-Line discs..a few Beasts, Monsters and some Spiders. They appear just like the current Champ stuff, but not a clear/see through. But then they came out with Pro plastic and since the names were to common to each other. They changed the name to Champion. I'm sure through out the years the plastic has changed a bit, but thats the basic jist on the CE, Pro-Line, and Pro. As far as a time line I can't help you there.
Well, thats my take on it all. I think it's fairly accurate.

Thanks man! It was getting depressing to watch my discussion sliding down the main board......totally devoid of posts lol.
Well I havent been in this game long enuff to help you out with the ce and pro-line but I do have a fair amount of experiance with eco star discs Destroyer, and 2 x-cals, and after 6 months of throwing em everyday they still looked and flew brand new so durability would be an A+ and they are also quite a bit more over stable than there star counter parts

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