In order to get a disc that big and have it qualify for PDGA standard specs is a frikken miracle. They had to make an ESP blend that is OBVIOUSLY nowhere near real ESP plastic or the quality of real ESP plastic. First runs are your best bet for quality. A Z Nuke would be the only Nuke I would throw, but because of the density of Z plastic, it's just impossible. The disc would be 185 grams (SWEET! I know) BUT it would be illegal as hell (per PDGA) and would probably kill someone in a park near you. Sorry to break it to y'all but I think Discraft needs to do some re-working on this ESP blend and at least tell us about it if it's not really ESP.