I've used it some on wooded courses and on an open bomber course with water and OB and found that the disc is like a
moderately beat shark. Good feel and easy to throw but not a good headwind midrange. The little fade and lack of big skip makes this a placement disc for me. I'm keeping one in the bag this winter and see how it works out.
i picked up one at the "howler" about 10/12 days ago. for me it very straight with almost no fade unless thrown elevated. it will take a hyzer or anny and hold the line of intended flight fairly well. as stated this is not a skip disc. for my game it is wortht the money spent at skysouth.com to get it.