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I just read a comment on another discussion that Mark E wrote.  It states that our permanent baskets (the Pro, top of the line targets) don't catch well.  I agree, a perfectly placed putt should stick and as we know they don't always do.  Now I have heard a lot of opinions about this subject.  I would like to hear some of your Ideas about how to improve targets to prevent this unfortunate extra stroke that we all have to deal with from time to time.  

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well, all i can say is that more practice would always help with what you are trying to do. i mean i practice for at least half an hour in the day in the winter and i have to say that i have adjusted to this type of envoirnment. Come summer i will need to adjust for the change of the temp, it will make the glide less on the discs.
So a "perfect" put will always stick? Have you ever seen a golf ball bounce off the bottom of the cup and back out onto the green? I have seen discs bounce off of the bottom of the basket and out. I have seen discs on a downward angle into the bucket, bounce off of the heavy ring hanging from the inner chains and right back out. I have seen discs blown out of the center of the chains by the wind. I am just curious if there are any ideas out there for a better target. I am not trying to justify bad putting.
Gotta agree with Rubberband Man on this one. A perfect putt will of course go in, because it hit the basket in exactly the right spot with exactly the right spin at exactly the right angle.

Just because it hits the basket in exactly the right spot, doesn't mean some factors of the putt weren't off..

A putt that isn't moving too quickly and hits the pole somewhere near where it meets the basket probably won't go far.
It's apart of the game. Heck I've had putts that had no right staying in the basket (ya, know the ones "who needs chains!"lol!) and I've had the nice pretty putts spit out. Just part of the game imo.
Others will disagree with you. I am one of them, but my opinion doesn't really hold much water in the scheme of things. Now, Dave Feldberg's opinion does hold water and he disagrees with you. check out his video reply about this very subject on youtube.
I had the same prob the other day but it happened with an ace, it hit dead center, spun in the chains for no lie 2 seconds then spit rite out in front of the basket. I still cant figure it out
If you put in enough practice time, you can control where your putter hits on the basket.
Hit high, middle, or low...left side, right side, you de side.
Learn where the "sweet spot" is on the basket and hit it there.
If you hit the sweet spot, it will not spit out.
It is not "part of the game", though "making excuses" seems to be.
Blaming a basket is an excuse.
I started on 4x4 wooden poles and then Mach 1's with shallow baskets and doggie chains (sometimes plastic chains, yes plastic chains-check them out next time you are at the hardware store).
You just had to learn how to putt on that basket for it to stay in.
I use a touch putt on Mach 1's and Stick it more on newer baskets. No excuses.
Please be honest with yourself.
If you did not hit the sweet spot exact...expect some extra action that could spit you out.
If you hit the sweet spot, it will stay in. Every time.
Now go practice your putting!!!
"I agree, a perfectly placed putt should stick and as we know they don't always do."

If it doesn't stick... is it a perfectly placed putt. I get frustrated when I think it is good, but obviously it was thrown too hard, too soft, or there was too much, or too little spin.
Can't find the video but I'll take your word that it exists. Simply citing a source that disagrees isn't refuting anything, however.
Every time? No. 99.8% of the time I'd grant you.
Here's the link with Feldberg talking about fixing baskets:


The one thing I worry about when thinking of an updated basket is the noise. Please don't ruin that beautiful chain sound. Feldberg mentions netting so discs won't go through the chains, but I wonder if that would have a muting effect to it.
We've had this discussion before...

I would say most people would agree that a putt floated into the sweet spot with very little chain needed is going to stay in almost all the time. I think what upsets people (rightly so) about the basket is that a putt to the same spot in the heart of the chains with the same spin and speed can act differently. Most of the time they'll go in, but sometimes they'll get kicked back or kicked out. They are chains, not perfect cords. They probably aren't ever oriented exactly the same way twice in terms of slack, angle of the links, ect...

That said, I think we all have way more sloppy putts go in than perfect putts spit out. So I don't think the baskets are all that bad. I think in 6 seasons of playing I've only had one putt that I would call "perfect" kick back out at me. The rest were not quite where I was aiming. We all know that a putt that hits high in the chains isn't a good putt, but so many of us (yes even me sometimes) act like we got robbed...no, you missed the sweet spot. Do many of those go in, yes, but they got lucky.

Perhaps that is a better discussion and potential complaint: Where is the sweet spot?

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