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When Dave D. was around. Still might be? Then he could have answered this question. Heck if any one can, that would be nice. Soo, anyway. I had mentioned that I noticed I get about an extra 15 to 20 feet more "D" when I used Star plastic. He said that it infact is true, and that I wasn't nuts. Well, he didn't say the last part (about being nuts)because he would be wrong ;)
Now it's bugging me. How could a plastic that is not that diff, from Champ plastic get you that much more extra "D"? Now what I mean by "not that much diff" Is that both are smooth. So I wouldn't think Champ would cause that much more drag? Any one out there know or have an idea?


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Maybe your statement: "both are smooth" is too broad. I think they do have different ammounts of tack,but this varies from run to run it seems. Maybe just that bit of variation in tack amounts for your 20 +/- ft. By your own qualifications, you could say there's not much difference in distance between the two. It's all pretty relative to what you consider "not much difference" isn't it?

Really though, I'm not giving you any useful info here...sorry. I just thought maybe that bit of tack does make a difference. I've never really noted the distance difference between the different plastics of a mold...probably because I don't carry different plastics of the same mold much...just in the TL. Maybe I'll give that a comparison.
Here's my theory on it..for what it's worth...I don't have a lot of same molds in different plastics. You get a better grip with the Star Plastic....translates to a better snap on release....for what it's worth.
Champion discs for the most part start out more overstable than their star counterpart. It is easier to throw a less overstable disc further because that disc wants to go forward longer before it turns into the ground.
What I meant by not that much diff. I was thinking that it had to do with "drag" during flight. Due to the smoothness if the plastic, but the more I think about it. I would think that Champ plastic would have less drag, but I still think it's minimal.
Star gives you good grip. More grip may increase "D" For some people
Ah but then WHY are they more overstable (don't worry, I agree with you, I just don't understand why it is true).
If I'm not misteken. When Dave D. form Innova answered my question. He said (paraphrasing) That Star plastic starts out more overstable than Champ plastic, but over time becomes less stable. That's why he uses Star plastic on his overstable discs and Champ. on his stable to understable discs. To be 100% sure. I'd have to try and look up the old thread. FYI it had to do with the "Night Shift" plastic.
The Innova website claims that the Pro-line discs have more glide than their other lines. Don't know why, but that's what they claim.
Better grip, meaning you can sink your fingers into the star plastic more than the champion and get more of a power release
(Holding the disc so that it is forced out of your hand using your snapping motion. Basically you are not trying to let the disc go, you are snapping your arm so hard that you cannot hold on to the disc, it forces its way out of your power grip creating snap, which creates spin, which introduces gyroscopic motion and it is the spin that keeps a disc in the air. The longer a disc is in the air, the further it can go. So to get more distance on your discs, put more spin on them, not more power!)
Great theory, but this is not why Star flies faster and further than Champion!
The reason Star plastic flies farther is that is actually does have less surface drag than Champion plastic.
Star plastic has less wind resistance to Champion plastic.
Why? That is proprietary information for Innova!
Maybe we should start with the definition of Viscosity?

I happen to think that DX plastic flies the farthest, it has the best grip period and I think that the roughness of the plastic works kind of like the dimples on a golf ball. Heres how it works with them.

"Dimpled golf balls fly much further than smooth balls. Before discussing why this is true, we need to understand something called the boundary layer. The boundary layer is the thin layer of air surrounding a ball as it flies. In the boundary layer, the speed of the air varies from the air on the surface of the ball (which is not moving relative to the ball) to the air out by the mainstream airflow, at the edge of the boundary layer. The reason dimpled balls travel further than smooth balls is because the dimples on a golf ball create turbulence in the boundary layer. This actually helps because the dimples then scoop air back towards the rear of the ball. By moving more air to the rear, this helps keep the air pressure behind the ball from dropping. And by doing this, the amount of air pressure pulling backwards on the ball is decreased."

I think DX works similarly to the golf ball dimples but this is outside the topic. I happen to think that star and champ fly the same distance sometimes one goes farther and sometimes the other does, I can't really find one consistently outperforming the other I like both and I use both. The grippiness and ability to put more snap on the star plastic because its grippier seems to make sense. It would have more spin and stay stable longer.
Viscosity!!! Motor oil is Motor oil...lol!!
I read his thread to my question. It had more to do with the speed of the disc not stability. Seems moot though, after reading Disc-O's info.
Thanks for all the input!


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