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Well today was one of those days that made me realize that some things are just plain stupid and have no place in league. Today that thing was 3 holes of worst shot in random doubles. And I'll tell you why...


I was feeling it today and so I was pretty in tune with my shot. I love doubles because you can be aggressive and go for it. Anyway I think that we might have bogeyed the first. We stepped up to hole #2 and my brain is trying to grasp this whole concept of dumbing down my game. I decided to not let that get to me until my second shot on #2. I had thrown a decent shot up the gut, but because of my partner we ended up on top of a plateau to the right which is actually #1s fairway and we were also close to the basket for #18. My partner stepped up and shanked into the trees. I stepped up, threw my Champion Banshee at the proper angle, went straight, banked left down the hill and dead center. Guess what? We are playing worst shot so that was just wasted. There was no point in me hitting that shot and in fact we bogeyed. This is random doubles and I'm being penalized for making a great shot. BS I say.


That is the last time I will play said format. I didn't pick my partner, but I am being penalized by randomly having him as a partner. His bad shot counts more than my good shot. He is a friend and I don't have any problem playing with him in doubles. But why was his shank worth more than my great shot. Doesn't make sense.


I thought about this and there is only one way to correct this problem. First I will say right now that I will not play another round of random doubles when worst shot is involved. It amplifies any inequalities greatly. Last time I had a guy that was so bad we went OB on every hole. I had no reason to even throw. Stop the insanity! The solution is to say that everything in the basket stays in the basket. You never take anything out so a made basket is a made basket and you are still rewarded for good play. The problem that I have with this whole thing is that it was not announced before money was taken. I was expecting regular doubles, nothing funny so that I may be aggressive. That was taken away from me and I had no say in it. I came to play random doubles.


You just can't take that shot away from me. It's mine and I'd like to see anyone do better.


Mad Dog signing out...

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Is Pingo Pong something real. I thought that he was telling me to play Ping Pong.

Do you guys announce what is getting played each week because we do so. That is what I expect to play when I show up.
The answer lies in the posts. THE FORMAT MUST BE CALLED, ANNOUNCED, EXPLAINED, WRITTEN, OR DRAWN IN THE SAND...BEFORE THE EVENT BEGINS. That would make the most sense. Doesn't that happen at every event anyways. either a fromal or informal "player's meeting? I agree with Jim, he should not play if the game does not allow him to win and his feelings not to get hurt! (HA) love ya disc golf brother! Play your game and have fun!
oh, and pingo pong in a game we play where you have to use the worst players paddle and have to serve from O.B. every other shot. bwahahahahahahaa. (it was a typo)
I thought it was a typo. Just a little humor here Tino.
It's about playing disc golf to make shots! didn't you make a good shot and still get mad sounds like it to me. i do agree everyone should know before the round. and i think playing dubs should be about your partner also. it is dubs.
That's why I will run things next week and we will have no repeat. Before the event means that I should be able to show up and play what is expected without any bogus rules being called at the last minute. Tino, my feelings don't get hurt. I'm not the one who hit the ace (a guy in my group did), but my shot was even harder and my point is that I am being penalized for making that shot. Bottom line. I've been playing disc golf since 1983 and I have developed a tough exterior. On the inside is a competitor and no "rule" is going to take that competitive spririt away. I love you too disc golf brother but I just think that there is a better way to do business. Post it and play it as posted. If you know that it is a certain format then you have the option of showing up or not. I don't see the point of showing up to play my best only to have my best revoked by a rule.
Just got off of the phone with the friend of mine who agreed with me and he told me that in tourneys they generally don't play worst shot. When I told him what shot I had sunk he was like "Oh really, you hit that with a Banshee". He says that he has played alternate shot, best shot, and best score before in a tourney. All of these things are not counterintuitive. He is going up to a tourney in Ft. Collins, Colorado and told me that he will scope out the discussion on his laptop.

I believe that I have seen worst shot played in a tourney, but I can't be sure of that and anyway it would have been announced beforehand and you get the option of choosing your partner. I just can't be 100% sure about that as the mind might have a few disc golf induced cobwebs in it.
I was happy to play with my partner because I know the guy and he is alright

That is the last time I will play said format. I didn't pick my partner, but I am being penalized by randomly having him as a partner.

hmm
As I said I would have no problem if throwing from his position and not my better position had not resulted in a great shot being taken away. I know that I will probably not win doubles every time I go out and play, but it doesn't help when stupid rules get put in at the last minute. Am I being asked to play my best or should I be content with playing some silly ass thing. Sorry but I came to play. Worst shot in random doubles amplifies inequality. Don't tell me that you don't try and win when you play because then I know that you are lying. Can I come up with a rule that says that we have to play blindfolded while hopping on one foot. Are you still going to enjoy playing or not? And if not can I call you a whiner? It's not disc golf anymore it's beer pong. Get my point?
IMHO, this is how worst shot should be played. once one player on the team has made it the hole is over, no need for the other player on the team to have to make it. that does seem counter productive to both have to hole out from the worst lie every shot until they both make it. after all the goal of discgolf is to hole out in as few strokes as possible, once you hole out you have finished the hole and you move on. now however you want to play before you get to the throw that comes to rest in the basket should be the only thing that varies in these different games.

my .02
I think the reason you catch so much flak is that you just seem so irrate about things when you post sometimes. Read on, I'm actually agreeing with you, I'm just stating something you might consider. Don't LET people trip your trigger.

I think worst shot is an AWFUL idea for random draw doubles. Even Tough Shot, where a disc in the basket by even just one of the players consistutes holing out is a bad format for random draw doubles. There is just too much skill level variation for these formats to work. Maybe if it's a division specific event it could work, but even then I don't think so.

I'm not against these formats, especially tough shot, but they should be used ONLY for bring your own partner events and ONLY when they are announced BEFORE the event. The reason they need to be for pick your partner events is that you will probably tend to get frustrated with your partner at some point. A friend or golfing buddy can withstand this type of temporary vexation. For me, what is fun about best shot doubles is that it is a relaxed format that is a great mixer for leagues and club events. People get to know each other and often feel better about the other person after the round because you each typically carry a few holes when the other person stumbles. Worst shot causes opposite feelings unless you're prepared for it and in good mental/emotional health (which often I find many golfers are not on a given night...myself included).

Parting shot, if they announce you're playing alternate shot they should only charge you half price because you're playing half the disc golf! (just being funny, but I really don't like that format either)
I may come off a little bit as angry because I can guarantee that yesterday I was angry. And when I posted this on here I simply got slammed by all of the status quo people telling me to "man up", stop whining, etc. Tough shot would still make sense because I made that shot. Why do we play something that does not reward a person for a good shot but instead penalizes them. I'm sorry but IMHO that is not disc golf.

Thanks for the support. By the way my disc gold name is Mad Dog. Just trying to get an edge. Gotta defend when getting slammed by the status quo people.

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