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I always thought that the wraith was a speed 11 and the destroyer was it faster brother at 12. I was looking at some discs I had and my star max weight wraith says speed 12 right on it, is this a misprint  or do some come out at different speeds. It flies different then my other wraith but that is a 2 year old 167 star.

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I have on course, 350' of usable power, and the "J" hook Wraith is useless for me. It is so overstable that it banks and dies around 280-300'. Now if you have 450'+ power like my buddy "Gun", it is a nice bomber disc. The 11 speeders are sweet, in the 168-170g area, they are a longer faster Beast for me, a disc that I still love.


Has anyone thrown the Wriath in Eco plastice, that thing looks as flat as a Tupperware lid, wonder if it is freeky overstable as well?

My experience with eco wraith was it was over stable then broke in fast. On a side not I threw j hook wraith in field today and it caught some wind as it hyzered out and came back at me 30 or so feet
I believe it, those are a round trip ticket throw my friend.

"My experience with eco wraith was it was over stable then broke in fast"


True story

I have owned 1 ECO mold (Not a Wraith) and it followed suit, it broke in fast, but it stayed in the sweet zone for very long time. Same for the Wraith I would suppose.

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