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I will have to try that. Usually for my nine, I use just regular hollow points. for my 45, good ole' ball ammo. I don't care what they say, a shot with ball out of a 45 and you are going down. My .380 I heard some good things about hydrashocks but had my doubts. I would love to get my hand on some black talons for it if I could find them. When I do, they want an arm and a leg for them.