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I am trying to generate ideas on what would be the best improvement for Spring Valley.

1. Multiple Baskets A,B,C
2. More concrete pads further back like Oak meadow has
3. Better Signs
4. More Trash Cans
5. Benches

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Oak Meadow only has one set of concrete tee pads (the middle, white ones). The long and short tees are shown on the tee signs but are completely unmarked on the course.
Yes that is unfortunate that you have to go throw with some one who knows where the long boxes are! I am just using Oak Meadow as an example of multiple tee placements.
Given the mark up on discs, the low overhead costs on the space, and the $3 greens fees collected by Spring Valley, I would say that about 6 months of sales could pay for all of this and more. I agree with ALL the suggestions. I also agree that as a club we should offer, and I might add that we have, man power for such a venture. However, the funding should not be coming from the club IMHO.
I know I've been beating this drum for a while, but it is the truth. We made the same arrangement with Shawshank, and Steve was grateful for the help we provided in getting Shawshank ready for tournament play. We paid nothing to help him as he DOES collect greens fees. So what is the difference between the two places. Primarily, I'd say the amount of work being put in by Steve on the course! Yes, he does have a higher green fee, but I know it is going back into the course. Even at $3 per person, I'd say it is safe to say that there are an average of about 20 people a day that play Spring Valley. If my math is right that means you are looking at roughly $18K per year if the course is only available for 300 days!
I DO like Larry Cooper's idea of just donating the money to the respective towns where courses fall under our jurisdiction, but pay to play courses have to go into that kind of venture knowing the price tag of maintenance is on the business owner.
I think that multiple sleeve placements would add value to Spring Valley. Also it is the cheapest way to improve the play of the course. I see that you are still stuck in mud over, “Given the mark up on discs, the low overhead costs on the space, and the $3 greens fees collected by Spring Valley, I would say that about 6 months of sales could pay for all of this and more”

Let’s please try to walk around your mud pit. Is it possible to except that Andy has a disc business and S.V. collects green fees? The drum beat you keep talking about is getting nothing accomplished on the North Side Premier course. I believe the cheapest way to improve the course would be through multiple sleeves. As a group I believe this goal can be accomplished
I am in fact not "stuck in the mud" about this, but yet the discussions that have been discussed with this course seem to be centered around what "North Side Chain Gang" can do for SV, and the answer is, MANPOWER. It has been brought to Andi's attention, she has been invited by myself, AND by Seth, and has not shown up. I did approach her again this weekend, and now she wants me to go and catch a round with her to discuss the issue. So head way is being made.
I only bring up the subject as people keep saying what NSCG should be doing, and there is nothing we CAN do until THEY pony up the funds to do these improvements. It is my personal responsibility to answer these questions. And as I have explained to people in the past regarding what "gets done" by the club, it is NOT enough! Why? Because the same FEW individuals get involved beyond lip service when it comes to the club. I try not to take it personal, but how could I not when the gripes come here, never the credit? Where were people when we cleaned up MCDADE after the hurricane? Sure they showed up for the mini, but my freakin' SON did more cleanup than 70% of the members did!
Did anyone acknowledge the work that a select few did? How about the work that Justin and a select few have done at Bear Branch? Again, this club was NOT created to just throw money at problems. It was created to get our people to take a greater level of responsibility for our local courses. Work days are LESS expensive if participated in by club members than if we just throw $ at a town or group and hope the funds are allocated properly.
Jim, I could not agree more with you on the multiple sleeves idea, but the CLUB should not pay for these, and they DO cost money. So when vocal individuals gripe about what we are not doing at Spring Valley, I have the answer. WE are doing as much as Spring Valley will let us, but we cannot offer the funds to make such projects available. I know I helped with MCDADE, and with BEAR BRANCH, and so naturally, I'll help with Spring Valley as I call it home. I'm there every week, and I pick up more trash than anybody at that course. Trash on the course is a big problem there IMHO, and one that would improve the course if addressed as well. Trash cans is the obvious answer, but they cost $. I accept that Andi has a business there, but I also run a business. The first rule of running a business is that if your facility is not invested in, you will go nowhere. If I sold crap at my store, but didn't improve my stores with the money made from those sales, then my company will suffer. No disrespect Jim, I agree with your concepts here, but I can barely get the kind of involvement from people beyond $20 for memberships for a year. Suddenly that $20 gives everybody equal footing, until the chips are down for "what do you bring to the club". I suppose that is why I'm the one beating a drum, because nobody else is involved enough to understand what the challenges are.
Ok I have cut out all of the personal tangents and will try to deal with the subject at hand lets not get all HFDS up in here no disrespect.

The discussions that have been discussed with this course seem to be centered around what "North Side Chain Gang" can do for SV, and the answer is, MANPOWER. It has been brought to Andi's attention, she has been invited by myself, AND by Seth, and has not shown up. I did approach her again this weekend, and now she wants me to go and catch a round with her to discuss the issue. So head way is being made.
I only bring up the subject as people keep saying what NSCG should be doing, and there is nothing we CAN do until THEY pony up the funds to do these improvements. Work days are LESS expensive if participated in by club members than if we just throw $ at a town or group and hope the funds are allocated properly.
Jim, I could not agree more with you on the multiple sleeves idea, but the CLUB should not pay for these, I have the answer. WE are doing as much as Spring Valley will let us, but we cannot offer the funds to make such projects available. Trash on the course is a big problem there IMHO, and one that would improve the course if addressed as well. Trash cans is the obvious answer, but they cost No disrespect Jim, I agree with your concepts here, but I can barely get the kind of involvement from people beyond $20 for memberships for a year. I'm the one beating a drum, because nobody else is involved enough to understand what the challenges are.


Hopefully this is my conclusion NSCG President is down for some multiple sleeves, but just don’t have the money or the permission but are willing to give the manpower. That is some good information to know and now we have a starting point. So I guess first step is permission and second step is money
I Will Be More Than Willing To Help Out In Any Way I Can, But Think The Funds Should Come From SV Since It Is A Privately Owned Course, Not The NSCG. Just My 2 Cents If It Means Anything. Just Figure This Out And I'll Be There.
Justin Ellsworth said:
I Will Be More Than Willing To Help Out In Any Way I Can, But Think The Funds Should Come From SV Since It Is A Privately Owned Course, Not The NSCG. Just My 2 Cents If It Means Anything. Just Figure This Out And I'll Be There.

Yeah if Andi wants to improve her design she should be the one to do it this time! Remember SV when it went in? Worst course in town but once Mike had some direction as to what needed to be done it was transformed into a pretty nice place to play.

I would be down to help but I don;t think that the Northsiders should be the ones forking over the cash to do so. Now Mcdade and Bear Branch are different as golfers are the ones who maintain them anyway so thwy should be 1st in line to get money. Considering how much Mike payed Andi to design the course I think she should be heading this up.
I heard Mcdade got 80,000 dollars to improve the park. What went to disc golf?
How much money does the The Woodlands put into Bear Branch park? Does any of it go to disc golf? If not why?
The city doesn't put funds into SV. I think the money is there for Mcdade and Bear if we find out who to ask...
And right there is the fundamental problem. Under previous AND current efforts, McDade, and Bear Branch HAVE had funds put into them, but the funds were not used towards projects that bettered the course. I wish we DID have that voice that listens, reacts, and follows up with disc golfers in towns.
For the kind of example we are talking about, see Live Oak. A town where disc golf is PART of the community. We just are not there with The Woodlands. Yes, I think that Conroe is the easier sell. They are MUCH more open to disc golf concerns. It will just take time, and the right people to prove that Disc Golf is a sport to support with further funding. WE know this to be true, but others do not. THAT is the challenge ahead of us. With a concerted effort from the ENTIRE club, we can show need, organization, and the funding to make projects move forward. In turn, this will curry favor with the town, allowing the agenda to move forward.
I think that McDade and The Branch might get some money thrown there way if they had some free labor. that's where i come in at The Branch. Tell them we won't this done and we'll prep it ( what ever it may be ) if they get it done. I dont know, it may be easier said than done. SV, Andi and Matt are going to meet to talk over what will get done there, but if you pay a green fee, and they make the ball golf course better than they should do something to improve the DGC also. Like I said, We pay a green fee too. When we get an okay to do something, i'll be there like always.

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