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Comment by AV on April 22, 2009 at 9:06am

got a question about the definition of "supporting point". when you throw from a lie, you must have at least one supporting point behind marker. my question is does a player's hand count as a supporting point behind marker??? PDGA definition under section 800 is: "Any part of a player's body that is in contact with the playing surface or some other object capable of providing support, at the time of release." what do you guys think???

Comment by Eirik on February 28, 2009 at 3:01pm

Great idea for a club.

Comment by Red Line Disc Golf on February 23, 2009 at 11:27am

It was a non sanctioned event and was about 7yrs ago, I don't even think the guy is still active in the disc golf community anymore. The person (who will remain nameless) was very active in our disc golf community at the time and I had seen him play in so may tournaments that not a single person in our group even questioned it. I had remember reading something about a 2 point penalty for a wrongfully tallied score so I took him at his word, guess in hind sight it was partial my fault for not questioning it.

Comment by William Gilbert on February 23, 2009 at 9:34am

Red Line how long ago was this event, Sanctioned? if not to long ago contact the TD for his educational purposes. Don't try to be mean just educational if he gets nasty or defensive you can report him to the PDGA for it. But he would probably just deny it. If not sanctioned nothing you can do about it.

Comment by William Gilbert on February 23, 2009 at 9:33am

The stories you learn as you go along about rule problems I have only been a TD for like 4 or 5 years. But I have had more than my share of fun. I TD'd a course at worlds in 2008.
We had this problem twice and thank god we had a marshal all week to help with the problems. 1 day a friend of mine played our course and the round was over and he left with the card into town to eat before his second round. He had the group’s card on him. He was a good enough friend that I had his cell number in my phone. I was working on scoring a pools board so I didn’t hear the other TD and the marshal when they were talking about the missing card for like 15 minutes. They basically said OK this card is missing and it is the only card not turned in. So we will officially call the round ended at X:XX time this card now has 25 minutes to turn in the card or everybody on the card will be stroked 2 strokes each. So when I heard them finally and realized they were looking for my friend I immediately called him and told him he had like 9 minutes to get back to the course with the card!! He didn’t make it.
So basically you have to start a clock when you feel the round is over and give that group 25 minutes to still turn in that card. If they don’t make it all the members on that card are stroked 2. It would have been really funny if they hadn’t come back until the 2nd round was supposed to start I don’t know what we would have done.
The other story is the same but with even more unbelievable stupidity on the part of the player. Worlds 2008 we are TD’ing the Three rivers courses. The player in question finished his round on the temp course his group finished said goodbye the one guy with the card left. Got back to the hotel, ate dinner, soaked in the hot tub, called some friends and I guess he was getting his bag ready for the next day and then found the card. Tracked down somebody at the hotel and turned it in like 4 hours later. He had the nerve to say there was nobody at the park to turn the card into. We were all still at the park, hence he got the entire card stroked 2.
This is why everybody should walk the card to the Tournament central in the least to protect themselves.

Comment by Red Line Disc Golf on February 23, 2009 at 8:50am

You know I have never gone back and read the rules on this that closely until now and you are right, only that person should have been assets 2 strokes.

This is a prime example of what Terry said earlier about having a copy of the rules in your bag to refer to, on that particular day I did not and took the word of the TD that every one on the card gets 2 strokes as he should have obviously known the rules better than I do. Well I guess if nothing else learn from my mistake and don't assume that because they are a Ref, Pro, or even a TD that they know the rules any better than you do and check for your self, by me not checking I knocked myself out of cash and prizes.

Comment by Poppy on February 23, 2009 at 8:34am

Only the player with the incorrect score would or should be penalized, correct score + 2.
All players on the card would be penalized 2 strokes each if the card was turned in late, more than 25 minutes after completion of the round.

Comment by Red Line Disc Golf on February 23, 2009 at 7:54am

I was actually speaking of the end tally, if the scores are not accurate at the end of the round ie.player 1 records a 54, player 2 a 60, and player 3 a 50 when they were actually tallied wrong as 54, 58, and 50 and handed in incorrectly each person on the card is penalized and the person what was added incorrectly returned to their correct score plus the assessed penalty.

This actually happened to me in tournament once I checked the score cards to make sure my total was correct and then signed off on the card and walked away very happy to find that my round put me in second, then latter found that my group had turned in a card that was added incorrectly. After the assessments I ended knocked down to fourth and ended up out of the prizes, let me tell you it sucks so make sure you check your groups card really well!

Comment by William Gilbert on February 22, 2009 at 10:37pm

Red Line just to be clear and what it sounded like you said.
The current scorer is responsible for correctly writing the scores on the card for each player. The scorer cannot be punished for incorrect scores unless it is proven he/she intentionally recorded the wrong scores. I would recommend the scorer repeat out load back to the group what each person says they scored, not because it may or may not be a rule but because it protects the scorer because he repeated back what he heard and it gives all the other players a chance to catch a misreported score a 2nd time. Also the scorer should not just write his score without out saying what he/she scored as well. I can remember if this is a rule but it has been proposed at least.
The individual scorers are not responsible for wrong score totals it is the individual players responsibility to make sure his score / total is correct. If the score is wrong he can be stroked 2 strokes onto the correct score. So if his card says 61 and the actual score is 60 his scored is changed to a 62. Just like the example of writing a -1 as a score if par is 54 and he/she wrote -1 his score would be stroked 2 to be a 55.

Also this is a rule scorers can only right write numbers. We have seen and still do people writing pars as a -, that is a dash or hyphen. I forget what the punishment for this can be. Maybe your score is changed to par plus 4. Assuming par is 3 that would become a 7.

Comment by Donnie Brooks, Mini Disc Golf Federation on February 22, 2009 at 5:42pm

It is my understanding that the PDGA does not currently have a program in place to train new Marshals. Is this correct?

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