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I agree Mike. I will never renew with them again. I guess that means no more A-Tiers. Not like I played many anyways. POOP on them!!!!
Why are you guys so mad @ PDGA. I never heard a stated reason. Other than their 2nd rate website I loved all the new benefits available when I got my new card. Hotel discounts at the place that I usually stay at. That alone should pay for the renewal if you go to 5-10 tournaments out of town a year like myself. Plus a magazine every 3 months. It's not that bad a deal is it.

I respect both of your opinions and hope you dont think Im a homer for the pdga because theres alot of things I dont like about it as well. I'm not even sure about some of the benefits of being a TDSA member ? thus, why I havent renewed locally. I could alway's join WAFDA and get a shirt. Thats more than you get with a TDSA membership.
Wrong again Hinds. With the TDSA you get so many tournaments to play. With the TDSA, you have two new courses, and two other courses with all new equipment. With the TDSA you now have A-Tiers and NT's in Oklahoma, that never would have happened without the TDSA. Our membership fees are about half of the other clubs around the region. Yes, with WAFDA you get a shit but you pay $20 per year not $20 every two years with the TDSA. If you want free shirts, minis and such and you feel that justifies your membership then fine. The club has talked about it before but we always comeback to all of the other things we do with your membership fees.

While you may not be receiving tangible things for your membership, there are numerous things you do get that you don't actually see.

As for the PDGA, they provide many, many benefits but if you knew everything that some of us know, you may feel a little different. It has to do with the way they have spent some of the large amounts of money they collect. It has to do with how little they actually provide for the World Championships in monetary support. It has to do with how they have destroyed the discussion board. Unlike this forum, Mr Briley can never post a comment or question on the their board.
I feel that if they are truly trying to grow the sport, then why do the non-members only get to look in through the window?

Do this for me, the next time or the next few times your on the board, look at the bottom of the main page and see how many members are on line and how many anonomous users there are. Those are the non-members.

We, or at least I am not saying they are worthless, just that there are several areas of concern and disapproval.
In 2005 I had fond hopes that the PDGA was like the PGA only in it's early stage circa 1950 but after 3 years being more on the inside I have come to realize that without major changes to their operations and thought processes disc golf will never mature to the point of ball golf.
While this may not be a bad thing I had hoped that a profesional player of disc golf might some day look forward to making a living at it like ball golf but I am afraid that that will not happen in my lifetime.
I am in a constant state of dissapointment regarding the management and attitude of the Pee (wee) Disc Golf ASSn, they act as if they are interested in growing the sport while raising membership fees and doing a very poor job of promoting our sport in forums that are in the main streem. When one looks at the vast list of supporters that ball golf has for their events, very few of which have anything to do with equipment used and we seem to only be able to get our own small group of disc golf related businesses to act as supporters for our events. I an afraid that without some serious outside sales of our sport we will never grow past the point we are.
How do we fix this?
I have no real idea but we do not seem to be getting any closer to the status of a sport. When I see the stuff that ESPN puts on it's programing that have little or nothing to do with soprts (how much sporting effort is it to play poker?) and yet we get nothing.
We have courses that require strength and enduracne as well as skill to play yet we are not a sport but skate boarding is a big deal.
And the drug thing is obviouslly not an issue or Snow boarding and other X-game sports would not be given coverage like they are.
The bottom line is that we have no public relations department that is doing it's job and if we are paying someone for that then we are getting stolen from!
Martin, I agree whole heartedly with everything you said. In fact, I feel that if we are ever to get greater recognition it will take someone from outside the present PDGA administration. I was real close once and hope to be again in a few weeks but I need to be able to make my own deals without having to seek approval of the PDGA. I am not saying we won't recognize the PDGA and fulfill the obligations they have imposed but, I certainly am not wanting to have to seek their input on any business negotiations of mine.
The Lodge said:
Martin, I agree whole heartedly with everything you said. In fact, I feel that if we are ever to get greater recognition it will take someone from outside the present PDGA administration. I was real close once and hope to be again in a few weeks but I need to be able to make my own deals without the involvement of the PDGA.
it is sometimes better to act in good faith and ask forgivness than to wait for aproval and let a window of chance close.
Amen to that one brother.
My late brother once told me it is a hell of a lot easier to ask for forgiveness than it is for permission. I think he was talking about relationships but the same could apply here. God rest his soul!! Love you bro!! Here is my deal with the PDGA. I had permission from my wife to play in the OO last year. To do that I had to renew my membership, which was fine cause that is the rule. Dumb one but that was fine. After i renewed, not once was I able to post on the board and I believe it is still down for new users. Also I did not recieve my rule book and the other stuff they give you for two months. I really dont care about that stuff but not being able to post was a bunch of crap!! This sport deserves WAY more attention than it gets now and that is why I fully support the efforts made by people like Wise and Mr Taylor.

Martin Norris said:
The Lodge said:
Martin, I agree whole heartedly with everything you said. In fact, I feel that if we are ever to get greater recognition it will take someone from outside the present PDGA administration. I was real close once and hope to be again in a few weeks but I need to be able to make my own deals without the involvement of the PDGA.
it is sometimes better to act in good faith and ask forgivness than to wait for aproval and let a window of chance close.
It seems like they only time I hear from the PDGA is when they want something. I can't even get a response from them when the website or discussion board is down. They only respond to emails when it's worth their while.
I couldn't even get a clear response on a rules question. They agreed with the way the rule was written but they told me hey could see it going either way? What kind of response is that? Ohter than quit wasting our valuble time.
thanks for answering my question. That was all I really wanted to know was what bothered you about the PDGA.
I am still so young to this sport in comparison to the years some of elders we have in our golfing community so I am still learning stuff every day about disc golf, including the pro's and con's of our Clubs and Leagues etc.....

I guess I did underestimate some of the things that the TDSA does for our local community. And yes sometimes I do become a little too concerned with material possesions versus what I cannot see. So thanks for pointing that out to me Wise. As for Briley I had the same problem as you and I called them gave them my number, got a call back the same day from a tech who stayed on the phone with me until we had my problems resolved. And since that day all of you probably wish that tech had never called back, lol. Call them and verbally complain E-mails aren't as effective with these guys.

Twoputt said:
I couldn't even get a clear response on a rules question. They agreed with the way the rule was written but they told me hey could see it going either way? What kind of response is that? Ohter than quit wasting our valuble time.
Hey Brian who you calling elder :)

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