I really hate seeing the top players in the game playing a 450' foot hole, and having it called a par 4. Any 1000 rated player who does not get a 3 on these length holes considers this a lost stroke. It's not comparable to "ball golf" in this respect when determining par, so I think par should be determined by course pros who feel that a good player should get a "3" or should get a "4" on any particular hole and that should be the "pro par" for that hole. I really hate the current formula for par setting, with players shooting better than -10 a round in the Worlds. Why cant we take a vote and change this ridiculous par determining system, and go with the par number that makes sense. When 90% percent of players are getting a 3 on a "par 4", then it is a "par 3".