So, I have been working pretty consistantly on them and they have become a part of my competitive game, but they are so finnicky. I have been forehand rolling with my flick (and every so often with my avenger if I want less distance). What I need to figure out is how crosswind will affect my shot. Sometimes I think it will hold my shot up only to have it turn over. Some of my best rollers have been in 15-20 mph crosswinds, and also some of the worst. with no wind I am getting solid distance on about 75% of my shots barring stumps, sticks, and so forth. A little more consistancy and I might be able to hold my own with the adv. women around here. I am bored of being stuck between and am. and adv. It is time to step it up a notch.