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There should be a penalty in Tournaments for not watching the other peoples drives

Why is it not a courtesy violation for not having a clue where someone in your groups disc went because you were too busy jawing it up to watch their throw.I was the only one of 4 to have a eye on a disc yesterday after i asked for a spot and was told we dont need one by the group then noone fucking watches the throw.Today I am gonna be a asshole and insist on spotters and as soon as i hear a disc is missing the clock starts .i am to generous about giving people time to look .I got screwed twice on 1 hole .never again!!!!!!

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Comment by JOE CRISCO 3 on July 16, 2010 at 12:27pm
it sure helps to have someone elses eyes my drives.
Comment by brett@sickdisc.com on July 14, 2010 at 11:31am
rule 801.01 A seems impossible to enforce... using the word "should" implies that it is not a requirement... and it says nothing about following the flight of the disc, just "watch the other members throw"
Comment by Thad Murgatroyd on July 13, 2010 at 12:12pm
Thanks for the response's .I was still pretty heated from losing another of my go to discs that took 3 to 4 yrs to break in (champion plastic) .I'd lost my valk the week before on the same course so to see my sidewinder gone in the middle states was a real blow ,the 3 other people in my group are all friends of mine and they know to watch during tourney play for the reasons stated below and out of courtesy.This hole (12) at kincaid is a long tough hole doglegs right with thick rough on both sides with disc eating spruce the entire way ,but with a spotter or even having eyes on it finding discs is pretty easy,so when i turned around and only one person said they may have seen a disc but wasnt sure.I had a feeling i was in trouble.I then walked down and spotted for them,we looked for about 3 or 4 minutes then started the clock,which i felt was sudden since we spent 10 minutes a few holes back to find a disc (i found it) .I just felt the time i was given wasnt right considering they should have been watching and didnt.I know thats how it goes and i'm cool with that but I must say the same thing happened in the last tourney where 2 players didnt watch and one saw a flash and i took a penalty for lost disc (that time the disc was found just seconds after the clock ran out).so i guess i take the lumps and try to keep a better eye on the disc and ask for the group to do also.
Comment by Steve West on July 12, 2010 at 12:25pm
It is.

801.01 Courtesy
A. ... Players should
watch the other members of their group
throw in order to aid in locating errant
throws and to ensure compliance with
the rules.
...
G. A player violating a courtesy rule may
be warned by any affected player, even
if from another group, or by an official,
with all players of the group advised of
the warning. The player shall be assessed
one penalty throw for each subsequent
courtesy
Comment by Bill Burns on July 12, 2010 at 12:23pm
Thad,

Before we go to what you are saying, I believe that players should do what the Rules of Play call them to do. Example: you call a foot fault on a tee shot, and get no second because the other players were not watching.

But to your point, I watch other's drives for two main reasons: to speed up play, i.e., to assist in locating an errant drive if need be; and also I know how much it sucks to lose a disc, and I want to help others to not lose their discs.

If you have someone in your group not watching to see where the drives of others go, try to give them the benefit of the doubt - they might be nearsighted and it wouldn't do any good for them to look, etc. Also try to remember that it your personal responsibility to locate your own disc, and if you help to locate the discs of others that are not so helpful to you, your attitude and willingness to help may just rub off on them.

Please don't let others drag you down to their level - continue to try and pull them up to yours!
Comment by brett@sickdisc.com on July 12, 2010 at 8:34am
Although I personally agree that is not very 'courteous' to observe the other throws, having it a requirement is completely absurd.
Comment by shane stacy on July 11, 2010 at 10:38pm
i totally agree with mark... remember the first thing u heard when u started playin Thad; NO wimps and most importantly NO WHINERS....... SO JUST CHILL DUDE
Comment by mark ellis on July 11, 2010 at 7:57pm
Most golfers and most groups are pretty darn nice, especially if you act that way first. Showing ill will toward your group all too often turns around and bites you in the butt, even if your group deserves it. :)

I have played in groups where some players hated each other and were ingenious in their ability to work each other. But we play this game for recreation, exercise and enjoyment. Hate tends to harm the person sending it out more than the person receiving it. So save the hate for something or someone who really deserves it, for your own protection if for no other reason.

Getting screwed on one hole is poor justification for being a jerk for the rest of your life. Once you start, how do you stop?

One of the reasons that players are reluctant to call penalties on each other is that once negativity enters your mind it is tough thereafter to keep a positive mindset. It is not only that they want to be sociable, they also want to protect their own game. Negativity can be a killer. It can kill your chance of success.

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